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Well, I'm sure this is a fruitless argument, but here are some pictures of what a pregnancy looks like before 10 weeks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/o

Well, I'm sure this is a fruitless argument, but here are some pictures of what a pregnancy looks like before 10 weeks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-week... Anything there look like a body?

User23 3y ago
That's not a body, that's dismembered tissue. If you put an adult through a woodchipper the results won't look like a body either. I assume you know that, so why be intellectually dishonest?
zdragnar 3y ago
It's easy to hide the bits that look like a body when you stack it up with the gestational sac on a background with poor contrast. There are other resources that show just the fetus (8+weeks, before that it really is just an embryo) with much better detail.
- netsharc 3y ago
  And do these resources depict the reality, or are they maybe renderings?
  - zdragnar 3y ago
    https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 There's live images and video for a wide range of timespan. I linked to one at 8 weeks since the source article I responded to was limited to < 10 weeks. The field of view of the camera is quite small, but there's also an MRI image at 9 weeks: https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation The most notable difference, aside from the details visible close up, is the fact that there is no red whatsoever in the images in the guardian article. The samples were very carefully cleaned to avoid looking organic at all, and promote the author's argument that so early in the pregnancy it is "just tissue".
vacuity 3y ago
I think people should either strictly allow or deny induced abortion, recognizing it as a conflict between the pregnant woman's bodily autonomy (since pregancy is sort of invasive and has a slew of complications) and the zygote/embryo/fetus' ("fetus") personhood. One takes precedent over the other. I don't fault people for believing the fetus takes precedence. It's the people who pay lip service but have ulterior motives (oppressing women) that are an issue. Ultimately they have no basis to stop others from getting abortions, so as long as that's enforced I think that's a decent society.
floxy 3y ago
And here are some other photos of a fetus at 10 weeks: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images
- netsharc 3y ago
  Most of the images there look like computer-generated 3d renders...

User23 3y ago

That's not a body, that's dismembered tissue. If you put an adult through a woodchipper the results won't look like a body either. I assume you know that, so why be intellectually dishonest?

zdragnar 3y ago

It's easy to hide the bits that look like a body when you stack it up with the gestational sac on a background with poor contrast. There are other resources that show just the fetus (8+weeks, before that it really is just an embryo) with much better detail.

netsharc 3y ago
And do these resources depict the reality, or are they maybe renderings?
- zdragnar 3y ago
  https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 There's live images and video for a wide range of timespan. I linked to one at 8 weeks since the source article I responded to was limited to < 10 weeks. The field of view of the camera is quite small, but there's also an MRI image at 9 weeks: https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation The most notable difference, aside from the details visible close up, is the fact that there is no red whatsoever in the images in the guardian article. The samples were very carefully cleaned to avoid looking organic at all, and promote the author's argument that so early in the pregnancy it is "just tissue".

vacuity 3y ago

I think people should either strictly allow or deny induced abortion, recognizing it as a conflict between the pregnant woman's bodily autonomy (since pregancy is sort of invasive and has a slew of complications) and the zygote/embryo/fetus' ("fetus") personhood. One takes precedent over the other. I don't fault people for believing the fetus takes precedence. It's the people who pay lip service but have ulterior motives (oppressing women) that are an issue. Ultimately they have no basis to stop others from getting abortions, so as long as that's enforced I think that's a decent society.

floxy 3y ago

And here are some other photos of a fetus at 10 weeks: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images

netsharc 3y ago
Most of the images there look like computer-generated 3d renders...