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Bodily autonomy isn’t a moral principle, it’s a rhetorical device. Literally every law on the books interferes with your autonomy. Trying to apply it as the for
by User23 3y ago
Bodily autonomy isn’t a moral principle, it’s a rhetorical device. Literally every law on the books interferes with your autonomy. Trying to apply it as the former is as nonsensical as arguing when someone says “nobody goes there anymore” when some people in fact still do.
- lo_zamoyski 3y ago[flagged]
- sangnoir 3y ago> Nothing turns off a hedonistic sex maniac more than the idea that he or she will have kids to take care of. They're an impediment to a licentious, self-absorbed lifestyle. This sounds a lot like the type of person you don't want raising a child
- isityouyesitsme 3y agoPerhaps not. I also don't want some cops to be the ones on patrol, out of fear that they might act on strong biases. But I also wouldn't excuse them for pulling someone over and immediately opening fire with intent to kill in order to bypass the problem.
- netsharc 3y agoWell, I'm sure this is a fruitless argument, but here are some pictures of what a pregnancy looks like before 10 weeks: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-weeks-abortion-tissue https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/oct/18/pregnancy-week... Anything there look like a body?
- User23 3y agoThat's not a body, that's dismembered tissue. If you put an adult through a woodchipper the results won't look like a body either. I assume you know that, so why be intellectually dishonest?
- zdragnar 3y agoIt's easy to hide the bits that look like a body when you stack it up with the gestational sac on a background with poor contrast. There are other resources that show just the fetus (8+weeks, before that it really is just an embryo) with much better detail.
- netsharc 3y agoAnd do these resources depict the reality, or are they maybe renderings?
- zdragnar 3y agohttps://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 https://www.ehd.org/movies.php?mov_id=46 There's live images and video for a wide range of timespan. I linked to one at 8 weeks since the source article I responded to was limited to < 10 weeks. The field of view of the camera is quite small, but there's also an MRI image at 9 weeks: https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation https://www.ehd.org/gallery/407/9-Week-Fetus-MRI-Animation The most notable difference, aside from the details visible close up, is the fact that there is no red whatsoever in the images in the guardian article. The samples were very carefully cleaned to avoid looking organic at all, and promote the author's argument that so early in the pregnancy it is "just tissue".
- vacuity 3y agoI think people should either strictly allow or deny induced abortion, recognizing it as a conflict between the pregnant woman's bodily autonomy (since pregancy is sort of invasive and has a slew of complications) and the zygote/embryo/fetus' ("fetus") personhood. One takes precedent over the other. I don't fault people for believing the fetus takes precedence. It's the people who pay lip service but have ulterior motives (oppressing women) that are an issue. Ultimately they have no basis to stop others from getting abortions, so as long as that's enforced I think that's a decent society.
- floxy 3y agoAnd here are some other photos of a fetus at 10 weeks: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images https://duckduckgo.com/?q=10+week+fetus&iax=images&ia=images
- netsharc 3y agoMost of the images there look like computer-generated 3d renders...
- ClumsyPilot 3y ago> hedonistic sex maniac Where do I find these hedonistic sex maniacs? The kids today aren't having even half the sex previous generation did. You live in a parallel universe
- jazzyjackson 3y ago[flagged]