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Hi Remram, The emails have no unsubscribe link because they were sent directly from me, from my personal email account. There is no marketing mail list, which

Hi Remram, The emails have no unsubscribe link because they were sent directly from me, from my personal email account. There is no marketing mail list, which is why you have received 2 emails in total since you signed up almost a year ago. The OAuth is there to enable us to continue building more features which will include using features only available using authenticated login. I am not sure why you have a particular dislike for this project but you have made it quite clear here, by email to me and in a previous HN post. I am always open to understand what exactly your fears are about what we are doing - you have my email address.

noone_youknow 3y ago
This kinda comes off like you’re trying to ridicule the comment or minimise their concerns, but the fact is that, if you’re going to do a data grab, you absolutely should have a way for people to have you remove that data. The fact you freely admit there’s no unsubscribe link (so I guess no way to have you remove an email address from whatever list you’re building) is not a good look at all IMO. Personal data (even if it’s just email addresses right now) are probably a thing you want to respect, and be seen to respect. Personally I’m glad my spidey-senses kicked in and made me hit “cancel” on the oauth before I came here to read the comments.
- mintone 3y ago
  I understand what you are saying. I should clarify my comment. - All users can delete their accounts (and all related data) at https://www.ringerhq.com/user/profile https://www.ringerhq.com/user/profile which is accessible from the dashboard - We have deliberately not created a marketing list because I don't believe that is what the open source community wants, nor needs, from what we are doing here. I emailed OP and other users requesting feedback on the original version of the CV, not to market anything. I appreciate that Ringer is not for everyone, and that's OK - there is no pressure to use the site. However, I do have a duty to defend what we are (and are not) doing. This is not a data grab - it's an attempt to build something that returns value to the open source community. If people have fears or concerns about what we are building then I do genuinely want to hear them, both to understand and attempt to mitigate for the same, and where necessary allay them.
- lloydatkinson 3y ago
  Why does this even need OAuth realistically? Scrape the GitHub profile, in a queue, so not to spam GitHub.
remram 3y ago
How many emails did you "send from your personal email account"? Do you think it only counts as a "marketing list" if you send it through MailChimp? I must say I am really puzzled by your reply. Having the option to email you to ask to be removed definitely does not excuse the lack of an unsubscribe link.

noone_youknow 3y ago

This kinda comes off like you’re trying to ridicule the comment or minimise their concerns, but the fact is that, if you’re going to do a data grab, you absolutely should have a way for people to have you remove that data. The fact you freely admit there’s no unsubscribe link (so I guess no way to have you remove an email address from whatever list you’re building) is not a good look at all IMO. Personal data (even if it’s just email addresses right now) are probably a thing you want to respect, and be seen to respect. Personally I’m glad my spidey-senses kicked in and made me hit “cancel” on the oauth before I came here to read the comments.

mintone 3y ago
I understand what you are saying. I should clarify my comment. - All users can delete their accounts (and all related data) at https://www.ringerhq.com/user/profile https://www.ringerhq.com/user/profile which is accessible from the dashboard - We have deliberately not created a marketing list because I don't believe that is what the open source community wants, nor needs, from what we are doing here. I emailed OP and other users requesting feedback on the original version of the CV, not to market anything. I appreciate that Ringer is not for everyone, and that's OK - there is no pressure to use the site. However, I do have a duty to defend what we are (and are not) doing. This is not a data grab - it's an attempt to build something that returns value to the open source community. If people have fears or concerns about what we are building then I do genuinely want to hear them, both to understand and attempt to mitigate for the same, and where necessary allay them.
lloydatkinson 3y ago
Why does this even need OAuth realistically? Scrape the GitHub profile, in a queue, so not to spam GitHub.

remram 3y ago

How many emails did you "send from your personal email account"? Do you think it only counts as a "marketing list" if you send it through MailChimp? I must say I am really puzzled by your reply. Having the option to email you to ask to be removed definitely does not excuse the lack of an unsubscribe link.