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No it just reads as kinda paranoid because li-ion cells typically become spicy pillows long after the device becomes obsolete. It's also trivial to avoid by lim
by NavinF 3y ago
No it just reads as kinda paranoid because li-ion cells typically become spicy pillows long after the device becomes obsolete. It's also trivial to avoid by limiting cell voltage. Many devices, most notably iPhones, automatically go into kiosk mode after charging for a few days for exactly this reason: https://support.apple.com/en-gu/HT208710 https://support.apple.com/en-gu/HT208710
- WWLink 3y agoDefinitely disagree. My own anecdotal evidence is that many many laptops left plugged in 24/7 will develop a spicy pillow after a year or two. That includes a set of Apple laptops and hundreds of Dell laptops.
- NovemberWhiskey 3y agoAnecdotally: this has never happened to me despite owning a whole bunch of laptops over the past 25 years or so.
- bravetraveler 3y agoThank you for taking the time to follow up! Definitely a bit paranoid - even if I'd prefer to call it robust :) I've had very bad luck in this regard... but haven't honestly used a laptop in probably a decade. I was pleasantly surprised to see my latest (dust-collecting) Lenovo will stop somewhere around 80%! Point being, sure - there are safety things... but batteries are consumables. I like these things to be easy-to-replace! I find these being difficult to replace accelerates this pattern of obsoleting. CPUs and (especially disks) tend to pack plenty of punch/life, these days - well beyond the mechanical/chemical things they depend on. Something to ponder - these chips may see particularly long use, being so power efficient. The utility bill won't be such a driver, sipping power and parallelizing decently.
- shagie 3y ago> ... but batteries are consumables. I like these things to be easy-to-replace! Replaceable, consumable batteries often get thrown out in the trash. ... and can set garbage trucks and recycling centers on fire. https://www.waste360.com/safety/lithium-ion-batteries-are-causing-five-alarm-fires-garbage-trucks-waste-and-recycling https://www.waste360.com/safety/lithium-ion-batteries-are-ca... https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/02/09/garbage-truck-fire-caused-by-lithium-ion-battery-in-laptop-rumpke-says/69886377007/ https://www.dispatch.com/story/news/local/2023/02/09/garbage... https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined-after-tossed-batteries-cause-garbage-truck-fires/ https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2022/12/recycling-firm-fined... https://gothamist.com/news/lithium-ion-batteries-a-growing-fire-hazard-in-nyc-garbage-trucks-dsny-says https://gothamist.com/news/lithium-ion-batteries-a-growing-f... https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/garbage-truck-fires-caused-by-batteries-increasing/102398638 https://www.abc.net.au/news/2023-05-29/garbage-truck-fires-c... (and many more) How does one make sure that removable, consumable, high capacity batteries are not discarded as trash but instead taken to the proper facilities to handle them?
- jondwillis 3y agoIs the dichotomy here really that we can either have modular batteries, or we can have more intact waste trucks and workers? However, having just taken an entire stroller out of my shared duplex recycling bin, I know there will never be an ethical way to get 100% of people to care enough to dispose of waste properly.
- mschuster91 3y agoWe can't. Instead we're making it worse by selling disposable vapes with rechargeable li-ion batteries [1]. [1] https://www.recyclingmagazin.de/2023/07/17/das-ungenutzte-potenzial-alter-einweg-e-vapes/ https://www.recyclingmagazin.de/2023/07/17/das-ungenutzte-po...
- bravetraveler 3y agoI wish I knew a good answer - this is an excellent concern. I'm skeptical of recyclers/waste centers, but that's what I've got.