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> The big mistake California (and other Leftist faux-topias) made was decriminalizing THEFT, ASSAULT, smoking and shooting on BART, smoking and shooting in publ

> The big mistake California (and other Leftist faux-topias) made was decriminalizing THEFT, ASSAULT, smoking and shooting on BART, smoking and shooting in public parks, smoking and shooting on sidewalks in front of residences Not being from California—when/how did they do that?

Volundr 3y ago
Also not from California; my understanding is some municipalities either don't enforce these laws, or don't do it to the extent people would like.
stcroixx 3y ago
It was this way when I first came to the Bay Area around 2008. Police simply ignore all of these criminal behaviors. They know the DA is not interested in prosecuting. It’s shocking at first. I came from a city where none of that is tolerated.
- brightlancer 3y ago
  > They know the DA is not interested in prosecuting. I think this was the biggest issue. Cops have done (and will do) some abusive stuff, but IME the west coast was more driven by DAs refusing the prosecute.
svnt 3y ago
They didn’t, but the police force stopped enforcing those laws, generally in response to defunding or threats of defunding. The police forces in these cities are in the majority comprised of individuals who live outside of the city and commute to perform enforcement in an area they don’t want to live in. This is the difference that never translated between the Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter/Thin Blue Line groups: in one, in the majority the enforcers are not and have never been part of the community. In the other, the deputy’s kids go to your elementary school and they volunteer at the pancake breakfast.
- ars 3y ago
  > generally in response to defunding or threats of defunding. No, it's in response to the DA not prosecuting - what's the point of arresting if nothing happens afterward?
  - svnt 3y ago
    This is also true, but I would suggest it is also not the whole picture. Within the relevant timeframe the DA typically declined to prosecute things the police force believed were important, such as protests that included violence or threats of violence. In response, the police force stopped arresting people for all manner of crimes that the DA would still prosecute. Perhaps best framed as a three- or four-way disconnect among the citizens, politicians, the judicial branch, and law enforcement.

Volundr 3y ago

Also not from California; my understanding is some municipalities either don't enforce these laws, or don't do it to the extent people would like.

stcroixx 3y ago

It was this way when I first came to the Bay Area around 2008. Police simply ignore all of these criminal behaviors. They know the DA is not interested in prosecuting. It’s shocking at first. I came from a city where none of that is tolerated.

brightlancer 3y ago
> They know the DA is not interested in prosecuting. I think this was the biggest issue. Cops have done (and will do) some abusive stuff, but IME the west coast was more driven by DAs refusing the prosecute.

svnt 3y ago

They didn’t, but the police force stopped enforcing those laws, generally in response to defunding or threats of defunding. The police forces in these cities are in the majority comprised of individuals who live outside of the city and commute to perform enforcement in an area they don’t want to live in. This is the difference that never translated between the Black Lives Matter and Blue Lives Matter/Thin Blue Line groups: in one, in the majority the enforcers are not and have never been part of the community. In the other, the deputy’s kids go to your elementary school and they volunteer at the pancake breakfast.

ars 3y ago
> generally in response to defunding or threats of defunding. No, it's in response to the DA not prosecuting - what's the point of arresting if nothing happens afterward?
- svnt 3y ago
  This is also true, but I would suggest it is also not the whole picture. Within the relevant timeframe the DA typically declined to prosecute things the police force believed were important, such as protests that included violence or threats of violence. In response, the police force stopped arresting people for all manner of crimes that the DA would still prosecute. Perhaps best framed as a three- or four-way disconnect among the citizens, politicians, the judicial branch, and law enforcement.