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Reality Check: Falsehoods in US Perceptions of China

7 points by WhereIsTheTruth 3y ago

JimtheCoder 3y ago
I know when I want the truth about China, I go and ask the Chinese government...
Iulioh 3y ago
>Falsehood 1: China poses the most serious long-term challenge to the international order and is undermining it.
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- porkbeer 3y ago
  Of which this document is part and parcel. The irony is thick.
1970-01-01 3y ago
They're still purple on the map. You can argue about global peace all you want, but purple means it is a very bad country. https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023 https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023
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- 1970-01-01 3y ago
  Oh my, China literally has a 0 for human rights. https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-net/2022#C https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-net/2022#C
goffer 3y ago
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legitster 3y ago
This is a really amazing document. If you were to ask someone to come up with the most concise and context-free summary of every anti-American though out there, this would be it. It quotes everyone from Chomsky to the Heritage foundation. This document is also INSANE. It blames the US for the decline of things like the Native American population since 1492 but then says all claims about Uyghur human rights violations are fabricated. It quotes Covid numbers for itself that are clearly made up. China cannot be making fentanyl because all drugs are illegal in China (and even if they were, it's the US's fault for letting it in). Any alliances the US forms is an act of aggression, but we should also leave Russia alone. At one point they defend the "inseparable bond" that the CPC has with its people. "Yes, we spy on all of our citizens all of the time. But you know how Facebook moved data from the EU to the US? Isn't that messed up?" Anything that is deniable is denied. Anything the party does is justified. There is an official answer for anything, no matter how thin the connection is. They are reading all of our news and controversies and regurgitating them all without understanding any of it. > The dysfunctional American-style democracy has triggered a trust crisis. Public commitments to the people come with behind-the-scene deals. Political infighting, money politics, and vetocracy make it virtually impossible for quality governance to be delivered as aspired by the general public. Americans are increasingly disillusioned with the US politics and pessimistic about the American-style democracy. Let us not lose sight of the key thing here. The fact that we are free to openly discuss the faults of our own system is being used against us. We should not let anyone, ourselves included, be deluded into thinking that the side with the most bad/depressing news is losing. Totalitarian, oppressive governments always have the best news.
- 1970-01-01 3y ago
  >The US has a record of grossly interfering in China’s domestic affairs on issues concerning China’s core interests, including Taiwan, Xinjiang, Tibet and Hong Kong. Domestic affairs?? China, Taiwan isn't yours anymore!
- alexfromapex 3y ago
  I think there is wrongdoing on both sides and it would be nice to see a dialogue about what each side has done wrong and have mutual actions taken to resolve things.
porkbeer 3y ago
This is propaghanda in its pure form.

JimtheCoder 3y ago

I know when I want the truth about China, I go and ask the Chinese government...

Iulioh 3y ago

>Falsehood 1: China poses the most serious long-term challenge to the international order and is undermining it.

deleted 3y ago
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porkbeer 3y ago
Of which this document is part and parcel. The irony is thick.

1970-01-01 3y ago

They're still purple on the map. You can argue about global peace all you want, but purple means it is a very bad country. https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023 https://freedomhouse.org/explore-the-map?type=fiw&year=2023

deleted 3y ago
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1970-01-01 3y ago
Oh my, China literally has a 0 for human rights. https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-net/2022#C https://freedomhouse.org/country/china/freedom-net/2022#C

goffer 3y ago

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legitster 3y ago

This is a really amazing document. If you were to ask someone to come up with the most concise and context-free summary of every anti-American though out there, this would be it. It quotes everyone from Chomsky to the Heritage foundation. This document is also INSANE. It blames the US for the decline of things like the Native American population since 1492 but then says all claims about Uyghur human rights violations are fabricated. It quotes Covid numbers for itself that are clearly made up. China cannot be making fentanyl because all drugs are illegal in China (and even if they were, it's the US's fault for letting it in). Any alliances the US forms is an act of aggression, but we should also leave Russia alone. At one point they defend the "inseparable bond" that the CPC has with its people. "Yes, we spy on all of our citizens all of the time. But you know how Facebook moved data from the EU to the US? Isn't that messed up?" Anything that is deniable is denied. Anything the party does is justified. There is an official answer for anything, no matter how thin the connection is. They are reading all of our news and controversies and regurgitating them all without understanding any of it. > The dysfunctional American-style democracy has triggered a trust crisis. Public commitments to the people come with behind-the-scene deals. Political infighting, money politics, and vetocracy make it virtually impossible for quality governance to be delivered as aspired by the general public. Americans are increasingly disillusioned with the US politics and pessimistic about the American-style democracy. Let us not lose sight of the key thing here. The fact that we are free to openly discuss the faults of our own system is being used against us. We should not let anyone, ourselves included, be deluded into thinking that the side with the most bad/depressing news is losing. Totalitarian, oppressive governments always have the best news.

1970-01-01 3y ago
>The US has a record of grossly interfering in China’s domestic affairs on issues concerning China’s core interests, including Taiwan, Xinjiang, Tibet and Hong Kong. Domestic affairs?? China, Taiwan isn't yours anymore!
alexfromapex 3y ago
I think there is wrongdoing on both sides and it would be nice to see a dialogue about what each side has done wrong and have mutual actions taken to resolve things.

porkbeer 3y ago

This is propaghanda in its pure form.