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Yes, the first two were caused by Cheney ignoring CIA advice and the third was caused by Putin doing the equivalent. Are you claiming the US shouldn't help Ukr

Yes, the first two were caused by Cheney ignoring CIA advice and the third was caused by Putin doing the equivalent. Are you claiming the US shouldn't help Ukraine know where the missiles being shot at their civilians are coming from?

sremani 3y ago
CIA said 4 days RUS will be in Kiev! Honestly, CIA has one of the worst human intel. My only hope is these pot-heads in their hope of scoring some weed would actually learn the local languages.
solardev 3y ago
I'm saying spying doesn't really seem to prevent war in the modern era. When inconvenient, intelligence gets ignored. When it lines up with the party narrative, it gets exaggerated and used to fan the flames, then thrown back under the bus after the dust settles. Meanwhile all that capability gets turned against us, surveilling US citizens instead.
- astrange 3y ago
  Who is pointing the CIA and NRO at you?
  - monocasa 3y ago
    The CIA. They have a history of attacking American citizens for constitutionally protected acts like anti-war activism.
  - solardev 3y ago
    Why specifically them? The article mentions the NSA as well, which has done its fair share of domestic spying. As a taxpayer, it doesn't really matter to me how those lines are drawn, how budget/intel/personnel flow between them, what they call a mass surveillance program in any given decade, etc. In my short life, they've failed to prevent an attack, failed to prevent two major wars of false pretenses, failed to foresee, much less prevent, a major Russian invasion... Has the intelligence community, regardless of agency, actually prevented any recent wars? Or why do you believe that "spying prevents war"?
    - astrange 3y ago
      > failed to foresee, much less prevent, a major Russian invasion... They absolutely did foresee it, we spent months announcing everything Russia was going to do before they did it. It's actually a brand new strategy Biden tried; usually we'd keep everything to ourself to protect how we got the info. But it didn't prevent it because nothing would have except assassinating Putin. That would be pretty destabilizing too!
      - solardev 3y ago
        That's a fair point.

sremani 3y ago

CIA said 4 days RUS will be in Kiev! Honestly, CIA has one of the worst human intel. My only hope is these pot-heads in their hope of scoring some weed would actually learn the local languages.

solardev 3y ago

I'm saying spying doesn't really seem to prevent war in the modern era. When inconvenient, intelligence gets ignored. When it lines up with the party narrative, it gets exaggerated and used to fan the flames, then thrown back under the bus after the dust settles. Meanwhile all that capability gets turned against us, surveilling US citizens instead.

astrange 3y ago
Who is pointing the CIA and NRO at you?
- monocasa 3y ago
  The CIA. They have a history of attacking American citizens for constitutionally protected acts like anti-war activism.
- solardev 3y ago
  Why specifically them? The article mentions the NSA as well, which has done its fair share of domestic spying. As a taxpayer, it doesn't really matter to me how those lines are drawn, how budget/intel/personnel flow between them, what they call a mass surveillance program in any given decade, etc. In my short life, they've failed to prevent an attack, failed to prevent two major wars of false pretenses, failed to foresee, much less prevent, a major Russian invasion... Has the intelligence community, regardless of agency, actually prevented any recent wars? Or why do you believe that "spying prevents war"?
  - astrange 3y ago
    > failed to foresee, much less prevent, a major Russian invasion... They absolutely did foresee it, we spent months announcing everything Russia was going to do before they did it. It's actually a brand new strategy Biden tried; usually we'd keep everything to ourself to protect how we got the info. But it didn't prevent it because nothing would have except assassinating Putin. That would be pretty destabilizing too!
    - solardev 3y ago
      That's a fair point.