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I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work s
by idjrgisjet 3y ago
I remember when I was in the Navy, running a nuclear power plant on a ship that carried nuclear weapons, and the Chief of the Boat regularly showed up to work so drunk he couldn't speak (having driven himself to work) and everyone ignored it and when juniors complained seniors threatened to fabricate charges against them to shut them up, and listening to that guy scream and yell about how anyone who smokes cannabis is a fucking loser, a total garbage piece of shit, not even a real human being, and genuinely having difficulty not laughing and/or screaming. What a fucking joke that place was.
Friends in the intelligence community have told me they have as many extreme, extreme alcoholics as the Navy does, and that's just fine, part of the "culture", but oh boy, cannabis is not acceptable. Not sure if it was always like that, or just recently because they have recruiting problems.
I also have friends at national labs watching this very enthusiastically, hoping it spills over to their sector, because they have difficulty recruiting PhDs who are willing to get randomly piss tested.
- bratgpttamer 3y agoI'd love to see a comparison between the amount of whiskey and blow consumed by people who get drug tested and the amount of weed smoked by people who don't.
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- GuardianCaveman 3y agoThis comment is the opposite of the spirit of hacker news. Please don’t be disrespectful.
- antisyzygy 3y agoI can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. I use cannabis sometimes but it's more the principal of it. It's a privacy violation and positive results don't actually mean you're intoxicated on the job. What people do in their free time is nobodies business so long as it's not harming other people.
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- vuln 3y agoI have not seen a single social program, safety net or entitlement that requires a urinalysis to obtain.
- garciasn 3y agohttps://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-drug-test-states https://worldpopulationreview.com/state-rankings/welfare-dru...
- noman-land 3y agoTheir _demand_ for dignity also fights against normalizing this behavior even for those who don't have the privilege to make such demands.
- squeaky-clean 3y agoTry opening a restaurant and requiring your staff to pass regular drug tests. Good luck.
- antisyzygy 3y agoI'll keep taking advantage of my "privilege" to not participate in injustice.
- cyberax 3y ago> I can tell you right now if any job required a drug test, I wouldn't work there. Airline pilots? People operating dangerous machinery?
- moomoo11 3y ago
- bill_joy_fanboy 3y agoSaying "it's okay to do something bad" (smoke weed) because "someone else did something worse" (drink booze) is hardly an argument. Both are not ideal for people in positions of public trust. I don't want my intelligence officers drunk OR high. Is that too much to ask?
- sshconnection 3y agoNobody is saying they should be high on the job. People are saying we shouldn't fire employees for having a beer or a joint a week ago on vacation. The status quo endorses the former and demonizes the latter.
- Chernobog 3y agoI don't interpret neither OP nor the first comment this way. What is brought up is the hypocrisy of talking down on any cannabis user while being drunk at work yourself, and positive drug tests that are not related to actual intoxication at work (since cannabis can be detected for a while after coming down).
- saulpw 3y agoEver? Like they go on vacation to visit their families, and they shouldn't be allowed to drink or smoke? I could maybe see this for the highest leadership--the President, 4-star generals, people who are politically or functionally on-call 24/7. But for everyone else, the rule should be, don't show up to work impaired, either drunk or stoned or hungover. (Though I'm not sure how to deal with chronic pain conditions in that case).
- bill_joy_fanboy 3y agoFor an intelligence officer, I would say, yeah, you should probably never be high or drunk. Maybe "never been high/drunk" is too strict. If you're mopping the mess hall, you can probably go home and have a six pack if you want. Just not on the job...
- tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
- rapjr9 3y agoI worked for a while in the military industrial complex. The only legal outlets for modifying your reality were alcohol and sex. So there were lots of people who drank heavily and swapped wives. They were quite open about it, because keeping it a secret could cause you to lose your security clearance (it made you blackmailable). They were also very accepting of whatever your skin color was, because the military demanded it. It was something of a shock moving to an industry job and discovering that racism still existed.
- dirtyid 3y ago>it made you blackmailable Is wife swapping like less blackmailable escape than prostitutes? Clearance life hack.
- red-iron-pine 3y agothey definitely have recruiting problems