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Mormonism is perfect for raising little worker bees. Mormonism deeply values work ethic and breeds a strong trust of authority. You're taught at an early age

Mormonism is perfect for raising little worker bees. Mormonism deeply values work ethic and breeds a strong trust of authority. You're taught at an early age questioning authority is a sin and doing what your leaders tell you is the right thing to do. The end result is a group of people who are hard working, don't question leadership, and do what they are told.

beefok 3y ago
That sounds dangerous as hell. No one should live that way. If you aren't allowed to question leadership and are instead expected to do "what you are told", then all the experiments and horrors studies on group think are a reality at a dangerous level [1][2][3] What if you think an order is dangerous and have good reasons why? Good leadership needs to know what the ground-level knows, they need good input and questioning. Stalin killed anyone who opposed or questioned him, so all of the input and feedback was only positive feedback/intel to avoid being killed. Even when they were setting up one of the worst famines in recorded history [4]. Healthy societies aren't cults, and that is definitely a description of a cult. I hate a Godwin-Law argument, but the damn Nazi's "did what they were told" [5], and those 'hard-working'-don't-question-leadership lemmings had a blind-eye to/assisted and/or murdered millions of people because they didn't have to deal with the burden of questioning and thinking for themselves. Fuck that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment [2] https://www.prisonexp.org/ https://www.prisonexp.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-nazis-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-nazis-defense-o...
- lesuorac 3y ago
  There's a reason the Stanford Prison Experiment was never published in a peer review paper. It was garbage science with a lot of problems.
  - beefok 3y ago
    Wow, is that the only thing you got from my comment? I'm highlighting examples of why it's a serious problem and people need to think for themselves. We know what group-think does way beyond the experiment. We have a very well-documented history on it. Read Soviet and Nazi history, you'll see what it can do. It's almost universal in big groups of humans. If a police officer told you to shoot another person, would you do it? If 3 police officers tell you to do it, would you do it? How many police officers will it take to make you shoot the person?
boredpeter 3y ago
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joker_minmax 3y ago
Did you use the bee reference because of the Beehive as a Mormon symbol or is that a coincidence?
- tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
  Love myself some Babylon Bee.
- bognition 3y ago
  It wasn't intentional on my part but it was hardly a coincidence.

beefok 3y ago

That sounds dangerous as hell. No one should live that way. If you aren't allowed to question leadership and are instead expected to do "what you are told", then all the experiments and horrors studies on group think are a reality at a dangerous level [1][2][3] What if you think an order is dangerous and have good reasons why? Good leadership needs to know what the ground-level knows, they need good input and questioning. Stalin killed anyone who opposed or questioned him, so all of the input and feedback was only positive feedback/intel to avoid being killed. Even when they were setting up one of the worst famines in recorded history [4]. Healthy societies aren't cults, and that is definitely a description of a cult. I hate a Godwin-Law argument, but the damn Nazi's "did what they were told" [5], and those 'hard-working'-don't-question-leadership lemmings had a blind-eye to/assisted and/or murdered millions of people because they didn't have to deal with the burden of questioning and thinking for themselves. Fuck that. [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_prison_experiment [2] https://www.prisonexp.org/ https://www.prisonexp.org/ [3] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jonestown#Deaths_in_Jonestown [4] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%931933 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet_famine_of_1930%E2%80%93... [5] https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-nazis-defense-of-just-following-orders-plays-out-in-the-mind https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/how-the-nazis-defense-o...

lesuorac 3y ago
There's a reason the Stanford Prison Experiment was never published in a peer review paper. It was garbage science with a lot of problems.
- beefok 3y ago
  Wow, is that the only thing you got from my comment? I'm highlighting examples of why it's a serious problem and people need to think for themselves. We know what group-think does way beyond the experiment. We have a very well-documented history on it. Read Soviet and Nazi history, you'll see what it can do. It's almost universal in big groups of humans. If a police officer told you to shoot another person, would you do it? If 3 police officers tell you to do it, would you do it? How many police officers will it take to make you shoot the person?

boredpeter 3y ago

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joker_minmax 3y ago

Did you use the bee reference because of the Beehive as a Mormon symbol or is that a coincidence?

tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
Love myself some Babylon Bee.
bognition 3y ago
It wasn't intentional on my part but it was hardly a coincidence.