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They should couple decriminalization with stringent arrests for public use and public intoxication. It’s so damn simple, why won’t they do it. Set a limit above

They should couple decriminalization with stringent arrests for public use and public intoxication. It’s so damn simple, why won’t they do it. Set a limit above which you’re not allowed to be loitering on the streets like they do with alcohol.

wonderwonder 3y ago
This is definitely part of the answer. Walking through the streets of San Francisco a while ago with my kids I was shocked to see people just lying on the side walk in pools of their own vomit. Also was very protective of my kids walking past people that were obviously on drugs and out of their minds. These people became not so much people but just a threat. It seemed inhumane to just leave them like that. With that said, I would not want the job of dealing with them for what I am sure is a relatively low salary with the reward of seeing most people you help back on drugs the next week.
- skyyler 3y ago
  >These people became not so much people but just a threat. This is part of the problem. They are a threat, but they're also still people.
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    Sure but I very much value my kids over strangers engaging in destructive behavior on the street. Why risk myself and my family for them?
    - skyyler 3y ago
      Don't value them over your family. Just don't think of them as less than human.
      - wonderwonder 3y ago
        Thats the thing, I don't. With that said, there is almost nothing more dangerous to a human than another human. I wish them nothing but happiness in life but I am also not going to ignore the fact that they are on drugs and potentially mentally compromised. A danger to themselves and others.
        skyyler 3y ago
        You literally commented "These people became not so much people". I'm not sure how else to take that. I can tell you're frustrated about having to see homeless people. Let's just drop it there, then. I hope your community heals.
        wonderwonder 3y ago
        Not my community, I was just visiting San Francisco
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  What did you do to help these people who were suffering? Did you just glare and step over them?
  - wonderwonder 3y ago
    Yes. What would you like me to do? Walk up to each one I came across, my little kids in tow and try to have an intelligent conversation with them? Give them all my money? Invite them back with me to my hotel like the pied Piper of addicts? I want them out of the way and far away from my kids. I was pretty clear that I perceived them as a threat.
    - barbs 3y ago
      How are they a threat? They're lying in a pool of vomit, it's pretty clear they need help. Maybe teach your kids a bit of compassion?
      - wonderwonder 3y ago
        Again, I refer you to my parent comment, how should I provide help & compassion? Which option should I select? As far as how are they a threat, really? The internet is overflowing with articles like this. https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-woman-stabbed-in-head-scissors-unprovoked-attack https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-woman-stabbed-in-head-scisso...
        soligern 3y ago
        I’m with you on most of what you said but probably calling 911 may be one option that lets you continue along your way while helping someone that may be in a life or death situation.
        wonderwonder 3y ago
        I would generally agree with you but there were dozens of people like this there, some better, some the same. I wish I was exaggerating. Dude wasn't dying, he just found a good spot to vomit and take a nap.
anon84873628 3y ago
That's one of the interesting things I noticed about Amsterdam. It is notorious for the availability of cannabis, but it's very clear that you don't consume in public or around the neighborhood. (Modulo a group of teens I saw passing a joint around in the park). The coffeeshops are clearly intended to contain the drug use. Unlike California where you smell weed everywhere.
- 1letterunixname 3y ago
  There is so much absurd regulation of marijuana in California, that the gray and black markets are still thriving. There is too much demand and not enough legal supply because of bullshit red tape. Making it easier to grow legally is the path to taking organized crime and violence out of it.

wonderwonder 3y ago

This is definitely part of the answer. Walking through the streets of San Francisco a while ago with my kids I was shocked to see people just lying on the side walk in pools of their own vomit. Also was very protective of my kids walking past people that were obviously on drugs and out of their minds. These people became not so much people but just a threat. It seemed inhumane to just leave them like that. With that said, I would not want the job of dealing with them for what I am sure is a relatively low salary with the reward of seeing most people you help back on drugs the next week.

skyyler 3y ago
>These people became not so much people but just a threat. This is part of the problem. They are a threat, but they're also still people.
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Sure but I very much value my kids over strangers engaging in destructive behavior on the street. Why risk myself and my family for them?
  - skyyler 3y ago
    Don't value them over your family. Just don't think of them as less than human.
    - wonderwonder 3y ago
      Thats the thing, I don't. With that said, there is almost nothing more dangerous to a human than another human. I wish them nothing but happiness in life but I am also not going to ignore the fact that they are on drugs and potentially mentally compromised. A danger to themselves and others.
      - skyyler 3y ago
        You literally commented "These people became not so much people". I'm not sure how else to take that. I can tell you're frustrated about having to see homeless people. Let's just drop it there, then. I hope your community heals.
        wonderwonder 3y ago
        Not my community, I was just visiting San Francisco
1letterunixname 3y ago
What did you do to help these people who were suffering? Did you just glare and step over them?
- wonderwonder 3y ago
  Yes. What would you like me to do? Walk up to each one I came across, my little kids in tow and try to have an intelligent conversation with them? Give them all my money? Invite them back with me to my hotel like the pied Piper of addicts? I want them out of the way and far away from my kids. I was pretty clear that I perceived them as a threat.
  - barbs 3y ago
    How are they a threat? They're lying in a pool of vomit, it's pretty clear they need help. Maybe teach your kids a bit of compassion?
    - wonderwonder 3y ago
      Again, I refer you to my parent comment, how should I provide help & compassion? Which option should I select? As far as how are they a threat, really? The internet is overflowing with articles like this. https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-woman-stabbed-in-head-scissors-unprovoked-attack https://www.foxla.com/news/lapd-woman-stabbed-in-head-scisso...
      - soligern 3y ago
        I’m with you on most of what you said but probably calling 911 may be one option that lets you continue along your way while helping someone that may be in a life or death situation.
        wonderwonder 3y ago
        I would generally agree with you but there were dozens of people like this there, some better, some the same. I wish I was exaggerating. Dude wasn't dying, he just found a good spot to vomit and take a nap.

anon84873628 3y ago

That's one of the interesting things I noticed about Amsterdam. It is notorious for the availability of cannabis, but it's very clear that you don't consume in public or around the neighborhood. (Modulo a group of teens I saw passing a joint around in the park). The coffeeshops are clearly intended to contain the drug use. Unlike California where you smell weed everywhere.

1letterunixname 3y ago
There is so much absurd regulation of marijuana in California, that the gray and black markets are still thriving. There is too much demand and not enough legal supply because of bullshit red tape. Making it easier to grow legally is the path to taking organized crime and violence out of it.