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The foundation controls Rust in the same way Oracle controls Java. This link is not tenuous. Are you asserting that the compiler team would never be able to be

by zer8k 3y ago

The foundation controls Rust in the same way Oracle controls Java. This link is not tenuous. Are you asserting that the compiler team would never be able to be compelled to act against the interests of its users? Furthermore, that there's no way this could happen? > Those logs are collected data. I'm arguing for those logs to exist. Concrete example: I run into an error. I post a minimal example to a bug system. Is it not possible for the compiler team to run that example and pull their own special data using an instrumented compiler? How will these logs improve it?

estebank 3y ago
> The foundation controls Rust in the same way Oracle controls Java. That is not quite correct. The Rust Foundation is an entity that manages the trademark, relationships with other legal entities, and handles money to pay for running costs. The technical part of the house is the somewhat amorphous "Rust Project", which you can check here https://www.rust-lang.org/governance https://www.rust-lang.org/governance. > Concrete example: I run into an error. I post a minimal example to a bug system. Is it not possible for the compiler team to run that example and pull their own special data using an instrumented compiler? How will these logs improve it? Transient errors exist, particularly when incremental compilation comes into play. In other cases the bug/problem only manifests in a closed source project and the reporter cannot produce a minimal reproducer. There are platforms that the people triaging and fixing bugs do not have access to and might have diverging behavior.
- zer8k 3y ago
  > Transient errors exist, particularly when incremental compilation comes into play. In other cases the bug/problem only manifests in a closed source project and the reporter cannot produce a minimal reproducer. There are platforms that the people triaging and fixing bugs do not have access to and might have diverging behavior. Fair, I will need to do more reading on this strategy of gathering data. I did not consider closed source.

by zer8k 3y ago

estebank 3y ago

> The foundation controls Rust in the same way Oracle controls Java. That is not quite correct. The Rust Foundation is an entity that manages the trademark, relationships with other legal entities, and handles money to pay for running costs. The technical part of the house is the somewhat amorphous "Rust Project", which you can check here https://www.rust-lang.org/governance https://www.rust-lang.org/governance. > Concrete example: I run into an error. I post a minimal example to a bug system. Is it not possible for the compiler team to run that example and pull their own special data using an instrumented compiler? How will these logs improve it? Transient errors exist, particularly when incremental compilation comes into play. In other cases the bug/problem only manifests in a closed source project and the reporter cannot produce a minimal reproducer. There are platforms that the people triaging and fixing bugs do not have access to and might have diverging behavior.

zer8k 3y ago
> Transient errors exist, particularly when incremental compilation comes into play. In other cases the bug/problem only manifests in a closed source project and the reporter cannot produce a minimal reproducer. There are platforms that the people triaging and fixing bugs do not have access to and might have diverging behavior. Fair, I will need to do more reading on this strategy of gathering data. I did not consider closed source.