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Those don't exist. No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber. Not to mention if a company like GM gets their self-driving

by fckgw 3y ago

Those don't exist. No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber. Not to mention if a company like GM gets their self-driving tech off the ground, why wouldn't they just spin up an app and beat Uber at their game?

louzell 3y ago
> No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber Sounds like a business opportunity
crazygringo 3y ago
> No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber. To the contrary, tons of people will be doing that. There's going to be a big group of people who logistically need "their own car" for various reasons (live out in the suburbs, need stuff in a locked trunk, can't risk a delay in getting to work, etc.) but couldn't be happier to make money on it by lending it out as a taxi downtown during business hours. Or when they're traveling for a week, or whenever. Especially when you don't even need to worry about messes/damage because internal cameras will catch and bill whoever was responsible, and the car will drive itself to the nearest garage for cleaning/repair. Just as we now have hotels and AirBNB, I totally foresee different self-driving taxi services that are either fleet-owned or consumer-shared. I can't imagine why this wouldn't happen.
- ProfessorLayton 3y ago
  > To the contrary, tons of people will be doing that. Yeah, until they get their car back and there's puke in the backseat, which requires more than a basic cleaning to get the smell out (Yes, uber charges a fee for puking, but no it doesn't cover a proper detailing that'll get the smell out). Or they find a bunch of little dings on their car from slamming the door into an unretracted seat belt. There's also the vegan pleather that'll rapidly start to deteriorate from passenger traffic that's 20x more than intended etc. Some may still do it of course, but I don't believe most will want to destroy their car's value from the depreciation that uber will cause.
  - JumpCrisscross 3y ago
    > until they get their car back and there's puke in the backseat Super-strict reputation scoring solves this. Also, if you're paranoid, burgers don't puke.
  - HDThoreaun 3y ago
    I know multiple people that drive uber and go to late night drunk spots then drive crazy with the explicit goal of getting the passenger to puke for the fee uber gives. You'd be surprised by what people will put up with for some quick cash I guess.
  - crazygringo 3y ago
    The Uber's I take, the cars seem in perfectly fine condition. I've never smelled puke in a backseat ever, so whatever cleaning is happening, is working fine. > but I don't believe most will want to destroy their car's value from the depreciation It's simple math. If you're making much more money from renting it out than depreciation is causing, then it's an economic no-brainer.
    - ProfessorLayton 3y ago
      This shifted from owning to riding. As a rider, I agree, most of the Ubers I've taken have been just fine, though not particularly clean, but fine nonetheless. Still, the cars are in far worse condition than a similarly aged car, and not something I'd personally accept as an owner for a few bucks. Again it's not just puke, but the tons of wear and tear that happens during ride sharing. Uber churns through 96% of their drivers per year, so it's clearly not a no-brainer for the vast majority of them [1]. Self driving cars may help uber and its ilk lower their fleet costs if and when they get them, but a relatively insignificant portion of people will be willing to loan out their personal vehicle to them. [1] https://www.cbinsights.com/research/report/how-uber-makes-money/#:~:text=Part%20of%20the%20problem%20for,%E2%80%9D%20and%20part%2Dtime%20solution https://www.cbinsights.com/research/report/how-uber-makes-mo....
      - crazygringo 3y ago
renewiltord 3y ago
I use GM's cars all the time. Pretty good in SF. They're slower but sometimes when you're not time sensitive, it's nice to grab the ride since they don't cancel or anything. The first ride was novel. Everything after felt so routine I didn't even look at the road. As far as my girlfriend and I were concerned, we got in and then talked for a while and hung out and then got out elsewhere. The speed is the only constraint right now.

by fckgw 3y ago

louzell 3y ago

> No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber Sounds like a business opportunity

crazygringo 3y ago

> No one is taking their self driving car to work and then lending it out to Uber. To the contrary, tons of people will be doing that. There's going to be a big group of people who logistically need "their own car" for various reasons (live out in the suburbs, need stuff in a locked trunk, can't risk a delay in getting to work, etc.) but couldn't be happier to make money on it by lending it out as a taxi downtown during business hours. Or when they're traveling for a week, or whenever. Especially when you don't even need to worry about messes/damage because internal cameras will catch and bill whoever was responsible, and the car will drive itself to the nearest garage for cleaning/repair. Just as we now have hotels and AirBNB, I totally foresee different self-driving taxi services that are either fleet-owned or consumer-shared. I can't imagine why this wouldn't happen.

ProfessorLayton 3y ago
> To the contrary, tons of people will be doing that. Yeah, until they get their car back and there's puke in the backseat, which requires more than a basic cleaning to get the smell out (Yes, uber charges a fee for puking, but no it doesn't cover a proper detailing that'll get the smell out). Or they find a bunch of little dings on their car from slamming the door into an unretracted seat belt. There's also the vegan pleather that'll rapidly start to deteriorate from passenger traffic that's 20x more than intended etc. Some may still do it of course, but I don't believe most will want to destroy their car's value from the depreciation that uber will cause.
- JumpCrisscross 3y ago
  > until they get their car back and there's puke in the backseat Super-strict reputation scoring solves this. Also, if you're paranoid, burgers don't puke.
- HDThoreaun 3y ago
  I know multiple people that drive uber and go to late night drunk spots then drive crazy with the explicit goal of getting the passenger to puke for the fee uber gives. You'd be surprised by what people will put up with for some quick cash I guess.
- crazygringo 3y ago
  The Uber's I take, the cars seem in perfectly fine condition. I've never smelled puke in a backseat ever, so whatever cleaning is happening, is working fine. > but I don't believe most will want to destroy their car's value from the depreciation It's simple math. If you're making much more money from renting it out than depreciation is causing, then it's an economic no-brainer.
  - ProfessorLayton 3y ago
    This shifted from owning to riding. As a rider, I agree, most of the Ubers I've taken have been just fine, though not particularly clean, but fine nonetheless. Still, the cars are in far worse condition than a similarly aged car, and not something I'd personally accept as an owner for a few bucks. Again it's not just puke, but the tons of wear and tear that happens during ride sharing. Uber churns through 96% of their drivers per year, so it's clearly not a no-brainer for the vast majority of them [1]. Self driving cars may help uber and its ilk lower their fleet costs if and when they get them, but a relatively insignificant portion of people will be willing to loan out their personal vehicle to them. [1] https://www.cbinsights.com/research/report/how-uber-makes-money/#:~:text=Part%20of%20the%20problem%20for,%E2%80%9D%20and%20part%2Dtime%20solution https://www.cbinsights.com/research/report/how-uber-makes-mo....
    - crazygringo 3y ago

renewiltord 3y ago

I use GM's cars all the time. Pretty good in SF. They're slower but sometimes when you're not time sensitive, it's nice to grab the ride since they don't cancel or anything. The first ride was novel. Everything after felt so routine I didn't even look at the road. As far as my girlfriend and I were concerned, we got in and then talked for a while and hung out and then got out elsewhere. The speed is the only constraint right now.