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Since Tiptap is built on top of ProseMirror, do you contribute funds to support ProseMirror's development?

by meagher 3y ago

jstummbillig 3y ago
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- meagher 3y ago
  I was just curious given that ProseMirror is used a lot and doesn't seem that well supported financially. > We are all constantly building products on other products, given a license that allows for that, without contributing work or money to the products. This type of attitude is pretty harmful for open source. Folks (especially companies) should support their key dependencies where they can.
  - jstummbillig 3y ago
    I don't think that is true but in any case: Honoring the license, which we are usually we particular around here, has to be enough on both ends. The license is up to the licenser. White knighting around it on an arbitrary per case basis is just awkward.
- dang 3y ago
  Whoa, can you please make your substantive points without breaking the site guidelines? You broke these: "Converse curiously; don't cross-examine." "Assume good faith." If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to those rules, we'd be grateful. I took a quick look at your previous comments and didn't see any pattern of guideline breakage (thank you!), so this should be easy to fix.
patrickbaber 3y ago
Since the last few weeks we are focusing on the development of Tiptap. We definitely want to have a solid foundation, so we will support the projects we rely on. Without their work, Tiptap wouldn't be possible.
- n42 3y ago
  So, no then.
  - patrickbaber 3y ago
    No, that's a false assumption from my 3-day-old answer, as you can easily see on our GitHub profile: https://github.com/ueberdosis https://github.com/ueberdosis
    - n42 3y ago
      That was not an assumption, it was literally what you said underneath your spin while not directly answering the question. I’m glad it changed. The fact that it did change does not change the fact that you did not contribute when you wrote your original response, which was what I was addressing. I don’t appreciate your attempt to paint me as a liar to make your company look better.
jahewson 3y ago
What about Yjs?
- danielvaughn 3y ago
  TipTap uses YJS under the hood for conflict resolution.
  - patrickbaber 3y ago
    Yes, our collaboration backend Hocuspocus uses Yjs. We know the technologies we rely on, but we also know how important it is to find a sustainable way to maintain an open source project. For a popular project that a lot of other people rely on, this means getting money for development. Since Tiptap is also open source, we can see how the big players are using our project, and sponsor tiny amounts or nothing. We try to do it better than they do, because open source is definitely in our DNA, as it was in our previous work as a digital agency, and now since a few weeks with our focus on Tiptap.
    - danielvaughn 3y ago
      I hope you guys do well, I'm a big fan of the open core model and I really enjoyed using TipTap. This is the client I integrated TipTap with if you're interested in collecting examples in the wild: https://bundleiq.com/ https://bundleiq.com/
      - patrickbaber 3y ago
        Interesting! How do you get my data into your system to train the AI?
        danielvaughn 3y ago
        Oh I just did some web development work for them a little over a year ago, where I added collaborative editing. It's an AI-powered note-taking app, with several integrations like Notion and (I believe) Google Docs. I haven't worked with them in a while so they may have changed their model, but once you give them permission they ingest all of that data and weave it into your own notes.

Since Tiptap is built on top of ProseMirror, do you contribute funds to support ProseMirror's development?

jstummbillig 3y ago

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meagher 3y ago
I was just curious given that ProseMirror is used a lot and doesn't seem that well supported financially. > We are all constantly building products on other products, given a license that allows for that, without contributing work or money to the products. This type of attitude is pretty harmful for open source. Folks (especially companies) should support their key dependencies where they can.
- jstummbillig 3y ago
  I don't think that is true but in any case: Honoring the license, which we are usually we particular around here, has to be enough on both ends. The license is up to the licenser. White knighting around it on an arbitrary per case basis is just awkward.
dang 3y ago
Whoa, can you please make your substantive points without breaking the site guidelines? You broke these: "Converse curiously; don't cross-examine." "Assume good faith." If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to those rules, we'd be grateful. I took a quick look at your previous comments and didn't see any pattern of guideline breakage (thank you!), so this should be easy to fix.

patrickbaber 3y ago

Since the last few weeks we are focusing on the development of Tiptap. We definitely want to have a solid foundation, so we will support the projects we rely on. Without their work, Tiptap wouldn't be possible.

n42 3y ago
So, no then.
- patrickbaber 3y ago
  No, that's a false assumption from my 3-day-old answer, as you can easily see on our GitHub profile: https://github.com/ueberdosis https://github.com/ueberdosis
  - n42 3y ago
    That was not an assumption, it was literally what you said underneath your spin while not directly answering the question. I’m glad it changed. The fact that it did change does not change the fact that you did not contribute when you wrote your original response, which was what I was addressing. I don’t appreciate your attempt to paint me as a liar to make your company look better.

jahewson 3y ago

What about Yjs?

danielvaughn 3y ago
TipTap uses YJS under the hood for conflict resolution.
- patrickbaber 3y ago
  Yes, our collaboration backend Hocuspocus uses Yjs. We know the technologies we rely on, but we also know how important it is to find a sustainable way to maintain an open source project. For a popular project that a lot of other people rely on, this means getting money for development. Since Tiptap is also open source, we can see how the big players are using our project, and sponsor tiny amounts or nothing. We try to do it better than they do, because open source is definitely in our DNA, as it was in our previous work as a digital agency, and now since a few weeks with our focus on Tiptap.
  - danielvaughn 3y ago
    I hope you guys do well, I'm a big fan of the open core model and I really enjoyed using TipTap. This is the client I integrated TipTap with if you're interested in collecting examples in the wild: https://bundleiq.com/ https://bundleiq.com/
    - patrickbaber 3y ago
      Interesting! How do you get my data into your system to train the AI?
      - danielvaughn 3y ago
        Oh I just did some web development work for them a little over a year ago, where I added collaborative editing. It's an AI-powered note-taking app, with several integrations like Notion and (I believe) Google Docs. I haven't worked with them in a while so they may have changed their model, but once you give them permission they ingest all of that data and weave it into your own notes.