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Instead of dabbling with the windows API directly, a better option is to use the .NET WinForms API. You can use any CIL language like C# or VB.NET. Granted that

by pyeri 3y ago

Instead of dabbling with the windows API directly, a better option is to use the .NET WinForms API. You can use any CIL language like C# or VB.NET. Granted that it is a framework or toolkit like many others but one of the most efficient and relatively easiest to use that I've found so far. I've tried hello worlds with many other frameworks like Java Swing/AWT/SWT, Python Tkinter/PySide, Electron.js framework, etc. and none came close to WinForms API, especially when it's powered using the super efficient Visual Studio Community Edition.

namdnay 3y ago
Wasnt there an issue with your apps then needing the user to install the “.NET runtime” or something? I remember it being the main reason why people stayed on win32 for so long
- pyeri 3y ago
  The .NET runtime usually comes pre-installed on all machines above Windows 7. It's just that if your app needs some advanced feature, you need to upgrade runtime version in those cases, this is pretty much how other runtime based systems like Java and Python also work. Most people who stayed with win32 for long were C programmers who preferred the "purist way". But those who wanted developer productivity soon switched to the frameworks of .NET, Java, Python, etc.
  - pjmlp 3y ago
    .NET runtime comes pre-installed since Windows XP. Also many of us already in the 16 bit days would rather use C++ frameworks than raw C. One really needs to be quite masochist to use pure C in Windows.
    - namdnay 3y ago
      nah, windows 7 maybe, but I definitely have memories of people having to install ".NET 3.5 runtime" all the time on XP
      - pjmlp 3y ago
        Moving goalposts? So no longer .NET, rather .NET version XYZ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework_version_history => NET Framework 1.0 is an integral component of Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition. Installation CDs for the Home edition and the Professional edition of Windows XP SP1, SP2 or SP3 come with .NET Framework 1.0 installation packages.
        namdnay 3y ago
        I'm not really trying to prove anything, I jsut remember that at the time, doing something with windows forms was a guarantee of getting people saying "ah it tells me i have to download .NET"

by pyeri 3y ago

namdnay 3y ago

Wasnt there an issue with your apps then needing the user to install the “.NET runtime” or something? I remember it being the main reason why people stayed on win32 for so long

pyeri 3y ago
The .NET runtime usually comes pre-installed on all machines above Windows 7. It's just that if your app needs some advanced feature, you need to upgrade runtime version in those cases, this is pretty much how other runtime based systems like Java and Python also work. Most people who stayed with win32 for long were C programmers who preferred the "purist way". But those who wanted developer productivity soon switched to the frameworks of .NET, Java, Python, etc.
- pjmlp 3y ago
  .NET runtime comes pre-installed since Windows XP. Also many of us already in the 16 bit days would rather use C++ frameworks than raw C. One really needs to be quite masochist to use pure C in Windows.
  - namdnay 3y ago
    nah, windows 7 maybe, but I definitely have memories of people having to install ".NET 3.5 runtime" all the time on XP
    - pjmlp 3y ago
      Moving goalposts? So no longer .NET, rather .NET version XYZ. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework_version_history https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/.NET_Framework_version_history => NET Framework 1.0 is an integral component of Windows XP Media Center Edition and Windows XP Tablet PC Edition. Installation CDs for the Home edition and the Professional edition of Windows XP SP1, SP2 or SP3 come with .NET Framework 1.0 installation packages.
      - namdnay 3y ago
        I'm not really trying to prove anything, I jsut remember that at the time, doing something with windows forms was a guarantee of getting people saying "ah it tells me i have to download .NET"