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It's a real pity. People/mostly women do actually make a living from images like this. They do it safely (presumably) from home. Looks AI is going to even pu

It's a real pity. People/mostly women do actually make a living from images like this. They do it safely (presumably) from home. Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business.

matteoraso 3y ago
It's interesting to think about the ethics of AI generated porn. You obviously have the classic "AI is taking people's jobs", but then you have issues about whether sex work is evil, if jerking off to an AI generated image instead of a real person is degrading, what to do if one of the images used to train the AI was taken illegally, and so on.
worrycue 3y ago
> Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business. I think camgirls will survive because the interaction with their audience is part of the appeal - there is a parasocial aspect to it.
noduerme 3y ago
My neighbors are cam girls. They spend all day in their backyard diddling themselves. On weekends they have mud wrestling in their kiddie pool, and occasionally rent a bouncy castle. Honestly, they're young and I think it's great they make money by partying, but it wouldn't be terrible if they had to find a new career path before they turn 30. And it wouldn't be a great loss to society if selling your body suddenly stopped being more lucrative than selling your mind. That being said, as the OP stated, this won't replace camming. Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. Overheard in my yard recently: two girls from this crew discussing a guy who wanted them to insert real vegetables into themselves. Which they rejected due to health concerns. And offered to buy silicone vegetables. The cam-man apparently didn't want that so they were discussing how much to charge him for putting themselves at risk of infection. That guy, whoever he is, won't be happy with an AI girlfriend.
- rimunroe 3y ago
  > Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. I dated someone who did cam work. From what I remember there were people who just wanted to feel like they were in control, but most of her clients were mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them. You hear similar stories of from other sex workers.
  - noduerme 3y ago
    >> mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them This is called "topping from the bottom". They're paying her, therefore they're in charge, and expecting to get the emotional payout they've put her in the position of giving them. My gf was a professional dominatrix for 10 years and a stripper before that. The vast majority of men who engage those services are (by their own claim) just looking for - as you put it - feelings of intimacy. But it's not really limited to that. Why? Because their notion of intimacy is bound with ownership. This is a very difficult thing for us men to acknowledge, but it's fundamentally true. I mean: I can't ever be really intimate - completely intimate - with a woman I don't own, or who doesn't own me. The boundaries of power and control are so closely tied with the boundaries of sexual intimacy that the mere interplay between the two systems gives rise to an entire category of labor, i.e. sex work; which is differentiated into simple physical jobs versus psychological ones like domineering. This is what fucking billionaires pay for. It's not to be put in their place by a lowly "sex worker" - it's to be put in their place with proof that they are no better than this girl off the street. Cam work is humiliating because you can't assail the dude. It leads to wrong conclusions on both sides about, for instance, who's actually in charge.
wetpaws 3y ago
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Hankenstein2 3y ago
Hopefully I can phrase this in a non confrontational way but isn't that what "everyone" wants? We keep hearing about porn being exploitative and driving some human trafficking, this seems like a possible solution that makes "everyone" happy? Of course there are issues with starter images and what others have pointed out in that lots of porn has a social interaction draw.

It's a real pity. People/mostly women do actually make a living from images like this. They do it safely (presumably) from home. Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business.

matteoraso 3y ago

It's interesting to think about the ethics of AI generated porn. You obviously have the classic "AI is taking people's jobs", but then you have issues about whether sex work is evil, if jerking off to an AI generated image instead of a real person is degrading, what to do if one of the images used to train the AI was taken illegally, and so on.

worrycue 3y ago

> Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business. I think camgirls will survive because the interaction with their audience is part of the appeal - there is a parasocial aspect to it.

noduerme 3y ago

My neighbors are cam girls. They spend all day in their backyard diddling themselves. On weekends they have mud wrestling in their kiddie pool, and occasionally rent a bouncy castle. Honestly, they're young and I think it's great they make money by partying, but it wouldn't be terrible if they had to find a new career path before they turn 30. And it wouldn't be a great loss to society if selling your body suddenly stopped being more lucrative than selling your mind. That being said, as the OP stated, this won't replace camming. Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. Overheard in my yard recently: two girls from this crew discussing a guy who wanted them to insert real vegetables into themselves. Which they rejected due to health concerns. And offered to buy silicone vegetables. The cam-man apparently didn't want that so they were discussing how much to charge him for putting themselves at risk of infection. That guy, whoever he is, won't be happy with an AI girlfriend.

rimunroe 3y ago
> Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. I dated someone who did cam work. From what I remember there were people who just wanted to feel like they were in control, but most of her clients were mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them. You hear similar stories of from other sex workers.
- noduerme 3y ago
  >> mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them This is called "topping from the bottom". They're paying her, therefore they're in charge, and expecting to get the emotional payout they've put her in the position of giving them. My gf was a professional dominatrix for 10 years and a stripper before that. The vast majority of men who engage those services are (by their own claim) just looking for - as you put it - feelings of intimacy. But it's not really limited to that. Why? Because their notion of intimacy is bound with ownership. This is a very difficult thing for us men to acknowledge, but it's fundamentally true. I mean: I can't ever be really intimate - completely intimate - with a woman I don't own, or who doesn't own me. The boundaries of power and control are so closely tied with the boundaries of sexual intimacy that the mere interplay between the two systems gives rise to an entire category of labor, i.e. sex work; which is differentiated into simple physical jobs versus psychological ones like domineering. This is what fucking billionaires pay for. It's not to be put in their place by a lowly "sex worker" - it's to be put in their place with proof that they are no better than this girl off the street. Cam work is humiliating because you can't assail the dude. It leads to wrong conclusions on both sides about, for instance, who's actually in charge.

wetpaws 3y ago

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Hankenstein2 3y ago

Hopefully I can phrase this in a non confrontational way but isn't that what "everyone" wants? We keep hearing about porn being exploitative and driving some human trafficking, this seems like a possible solution that makes "everyone" happy? Of course there are issues with starter images and what others have pointed out in that lots of porn has a social interaction draw.