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Exactly, booze is legal, some people get addicted but prohibition does more harm than good. Cigarettes are even worse they really have no benefit of any kind to

Exactly, booze is legal, some people get addicted but prohibition does more harm than good. Cigarettes are even worse they really have no benefit of any kind to anyone, its pure, deadly addiction and totally level for adults.

paiute 3y ago
Your attitude to cigarettes sounds awfully similar to what people said about mj 20 years ago. Someone i know actually thinks there’s a link between a crack down on smoking and mass shootings. Just a pet theory, but some folks just need to chill out with a cig behind the maintenance shed.
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e_i_pi_2 3y ago
Alcohol addition rates are also (slightly) higher than marijuana addiction rates (14% and 9% last time I saw), so it's a great comparison
dionidium 3y ago
> prohibition does more harm than good. According to our shared oral mythology about bootlegging gangsters, yes. According to all available crime and health data from the time it was an incredible success. Crime fell. People got healthier. There was less domestic abuse (people forget that temperance was first and foremost a women's movement). None of this was outweighed by the increase in organized crime. Prohibition was a "failure" in the sense that people like alcohol and do not wish it to be illegal. It was not a failure by any other definition (boogeyman stories about "organized crime" notwithstanding). This is easier to see if your baseline is, "excessive alcohol consumption is a societal disaster" (which is the correct baseline). Prohibition would have to generate a staggering level of harm to match the existing harms of consumption.
kerkeslager 3y ago
> Cigarettes are even worse they really have no benefit of any kind to anyone No benefit of any kind to anyone? Jesus, the arrogance of this guy. What makes you think you can make such blanket statements about everyone's experience like this? Cigarettes are great for getting a boost of energy, or for having an excuse to talk to a stranger. And sure, both of those are things that we shouldn't need in a perfect society because we should all have enough time and calm to sleep and mental health care to get over our social anxieties. But that's not the society we live in--we live in a society where we can't be arsed to provide insulin for type 1 diabetics or school lunches for children. Giving nurses reasonable hours or high school students realistic dating advice aren't things in our society. So you'll have to excuse people for using the fucked up solutions that are available rather than the perfect solutions that aren't. I'm not even a cigarette smoker, I just have a basic sense of empathy.

paiute 3y ago

Your attitude to cigarettes sounds awfully similar to what people said about mj 20 years ago. Someone i know actually thinks there’s a link between a crack down on smoking and mass shootings. Just a pet theory, but some folks just need to chill out with a cig behind the maintenance shed.

tmpX7dMeXU 3y ago
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e_i_pi_2 3y ago

Alcohol addition rates are also (slightly) higher than marijuana addiction rates (14% and 9% last time I saw), so it's a great comparison

dionidium 3y ago

> prohibition does more harm than good. According to our shared oral mythology about bootlegging gangsters, yes. According to all available crime and health data from the time it was an incredible success. Crime fell. People got healthier. There was less domestic abuse (people forget that temperance was first and foremost a women's movement). None of this was outweighed by the increase in organized crime. Prohibition was a "failure" in the sense that people like alcohol and do not wish it to be illegal. It was not a failure by any other definition (boogeyman stories about "organized crime" notwithstanding). This is easier to see if your baseline is, "excessive alcohol consumption is a societal disaster" (which is the correct baseline). Prohibition would have to generate a staggering level of harm to match the existing harms of consumption.

kerkeslager 3y ago

> Cigarettes are even worse they really have no benefit of any kind to anyone No benefit of any kind to anyone? Jesus, the arrogance of this guy. What makes you think you can make such blanket statements about everyone's experience like this? Cigarettes are great for getting a boost of energy, or for having an excuse to talk to a stranger. And sure, both of those are things that we shouldn't need in a perfect society because we should all have enough time and calm to sleep and mental health care to get over our social anxieties. But that's not the society we live in--we live in a society where we can't be arsed to provide insulin for type 1 diabetics or school lunches for children. Giving nurses reasonable hours or high school students realistic dating advice aren't things in our society. So you'll have to excuse people for using the fucked up solutions that are available rather than the perfect solutions that aren't. I'm not even a cigarette smoker, I just have a basic sense of empathy.