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Show HN: This Girl Next Door Does Not Exist (NSFW)

113 points by perfect_layer 3y ago

Warning: NSFW. I'm posting this from a throwaway. Note that on HN favorites are public, but upvotes are private. Porn seems like it'll be one of the big areas of ai in the short term. There've been multiple threads and comments about AI + Onlyfans and AI + porn and AI girlfriends on HN recently (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36888038 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36888038, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36920987 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36920987, https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36849066 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36849066). I've heard that porn is the industry that pushes new technology forward - VHS, bluray, highly scalable video serving. I made a site compiling together some of the AI porn that I made with the help of some people on Discord over the past few months. I don't think AI will get rid of onlyfans. People spend on onlyfans for more than just the images. I do think people will have access to unlimited image and video porn at some point in the coming decade, which will definitely change the porn industry. The site shows what's possible with AI porn today - images both sfw and nsfw, audio, text, and some moving images. There's even more possible than just what's on the page, with lots of people are playing around with making animated gifs that are nsfw, there'll be animated 3d nsfw avatars, and so on. So the site isn't comprehensive at all. But it's still quite interesting.

noduerme 3y ago
Nothing below the waist? Do AI vaginas still look like Cthulhu?
- perfect_layer 3y ago
  AI vaginas look realistic now, people created LoRAs that can be used with stable diffusion to make realistic looking ones. No specific reason that I only included above the waist.
jrm4 3y ago
Interesting. I kind of feel like we haven't even fully gotten around to figuring out what it meant when we hit "all the porn (made by humans) is available all the time to anyone who wants it," which is universes away from when I was a lad coming of age at the time. Like, can I attribute at least some of my interest in tech in figuring out how to program the VCR to record HBO at 2am (then sneak down to get the tape out before everyone wakes up?) Sure!
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carrolldunham 3y ago
I keep seeing AI people shoot themselves in the foot with the risible "animations" that are a static pic with the mouth morphing like a deliberately bad flash cartoon would do. After marvelling at still images that are indistinguishable from reality, how could seeing a 2000s morph of one called a moving image not be pure bathos? Why don't you stop? Know your limits!
- noduerme 3y ago
  There's an interesting push-down effect to all this. The trajectory seems to be that people on the social spectrum between super-rich and offline luddites will end up being reclusive, socially stunted incels, hooked on more and more artificial porn from an earlier and earlier age. This is kind of interesting as a modern correction to the, uh, "overproduction of elites". I'm not sure it's any better or less likely to bite us in the ass than was, e.g. sending the second son off to a crusade or a monastery.
- voussoir 3y ago
  I don't see it as shooting oneself in the foot, I see it as documenting the state of present technology for the benefit of the future. In ten years, we'll be glad that people published not only the strengths but also the weaknesses of their work. The bathos is temporary.
- Vanit 3y ago
  Normally I'd agree with you, but the porn industry isn't known for high fidelity with fantasy fulfillment.
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- perfect_layer 3y ago
  Yes I've used that one and played around with a few similar tools. Quite impressive. There was one on Show HN this week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36864383 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36864383 Pornpen was on Show HN a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32572770 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32572770
version_five 3y ago
Interesting how fingers are still wrong. In most cases zooming in you see there's some subtle or not so subtle problem. Look at the right hand of the second NSFW pic for example. I know the focus isn't the fingers so maybe it's easier to get away with flaws there.
esafak 3y ago
What were these images generated with, Midwinter? They look better than anything I've seen.
andrewstuart 3y ago
It's a real pity. People/mostly women do actually make a living from images like this. They do it safely (presumably) from home. Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business.
- matteoraso 3y ago
  It's interesting to think about the ethics of AI generated porn. You obviously have the classic "AI is taking people's jobs", but then you have issues about whether sex work is evil, if jerking off to an AI generated image instead of a real person is degrading, what to do if one of the images used to train the AI was taken illegally, and so on.
- worrycue 3y ago
  > Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business. I think camgirls will survive because the interaction with their audience is part of the appeal - there is a parasocial aspect to it.
- noduerme 3y ago
  My neighbors are cam girls. They spend all day in their backyard diddling themselves. On weekends they have mud wrestling in their kiddie pool, and occasionally rent a bouncy castle. Honestly, they're young and I think it's great they make money by partying, but it wouldn't be terrible if they had to find a new career path before they turn 30. And it wouldn't be a great loss to society if selling your body suddenly stopped being more lucrative than selling your mind. That being said, as the OP stated, this won't replace camming. Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. Overheard in my yard recently: two girls from this crew discussing a guy who wanted them to insert real vegetables into themselves. Which they rejected due to health concerns. And offered to buy silicone vegetables. The cam-man apparently didn't want that so they were discussing how much to charge him for putting themselves at risk of infection. That guy, whoever he is, won't be happy with an AI girlfriend.
  - rimunroe 3y ago
    > Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. I dated someone who did cam work. From what I remember there were people who just wanted to feel like they were in control, but most of her clients were mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them. You hear similar stories of from other sex workers.
seamac3 3y ago
Unbelievable!
hnaiobsession 3y ago
This is one more inevitable step in machine generated images. My main objection to this site is that the prime example, “Mindy”, definitely does not look like “a girl next door” but rather looks like a model or like someone with near-perfect body measurements. The latter is not what people understand by “girl next door”. It’s more like “my dream girl next door” for some boys and men. I’m sure there’s a “market” for machine generated images of “girl next door” and “boy next door”, but this one is not it (as of yet). The other image sets on this site are too small to judge anything.
ldehaan 3y ago
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nojvek 3y ago
I think the thing that scares me a lot more is dreamstudio. One can take a few pictures from social media of someone and turn them into a porn artist. It’s not perfect but getting a lot better each iteration. Wasn’t there a news article that a teacher lost a job over it.
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simonblack 3y ago
Porn seems like it'll be one of the big areas of ai in the short term. Isn't that Rule Number 34 of the Internet or some such rule? Every technological advance is first used to distribute porn. No exceptions.

113 points by perfect_layer 3y ago

noduerme 3y ago

Nothing below the waist? Do AI vaginas still look like Cthulhu?

perfect_layer 3y ago
AI vaginas look realistic now, people created LoRAs that can be used with stable diffusion to make realistic looking ones. No specific reason that I only included above the waist.

jrm4 3y ago

Interesting. I kind of feel like we haven't even fully gotten around to figuring out what it meant when we hit "all the porn (made by humans) is available all the time to anyone who wants it," which is universes away from when I was a lad coming of age at the time. Like, can I attribute at least some of my interest in tech in figuring out how to program the VCR to record HBO at 2am (then sneak down to get the tape out before everyone wakes up?) Sure!

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carrolldunham 3y ago

I keep seeing AI people shoot themselves in the foot with the risible "animations" that are a static pic with the mouth morphing like a deliberately bad flash cartoon would do. After marvelling at still images that are indistinguishable from reality, how could seeing a 2000s morph of one called a moving image not be pure bathos? Why don't you stop? Know your limits!

noduerme 3y ago
There's an interesting push-down effect to all this. The trajectory seems to be that people on the social spectrum between super-rich and offline luddites will end up being reclusive, socially stunted incels, hooked on more and more artificial porn from an earlier and earlier age. This is kind of interesting as a modern correction to the, uh, "overproduction of elites". I'm not sure it's any better or less likely to bite us in the ass than was, e.g. sending the second son off to a crusade or a monastery.
voussoir 3y ago
I don't see it as shooting oneself in the foot, I see it as documenting the state of present technology for the benefit of the future. In ten years, we'll be glad that people published not only the strengths but also the weaknesses of their work. The bathos is temporary.
Vanit 3y ago
Normally I'd agree with you, but the porn industry isn't known for high fidelity with fantasy fulfillment.

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perfect_layer 3y ago
Yes I've used that one and played around with a few similar tools. Quite impressive. There was one on Show HN this week: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36864383 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36864383 Pornpen was on Show HN a while back: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32572770 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=32572770

version_five 3y ago

Interesting how fingers are still wrong. In most cases zooming in you see there's some subtle or not so subtle problem. Look at the right hand of the second NSFW pic for example. I know the focus isn't the fingers so maybe it's easier to get away with flaws there.

esafak 3y ago

What were these images generated with, Midwinter? They look better than anything I've seen.

andrewstuart 3y ago

It's a real pity. People/mostly women do actually make a living from images like this. They do it safely (presumably) from home. Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business.

matteoraso 3y ago
It's interesting to think about the ethics of AI generated porn. You obviously have the classic "AI is taking people's jobs", but then you have issues about whether sex work is evil, if jerking off to an AI generated image instead of a real person is degrading, what to do if one of the images used to train the AI was taken illegally, and so on.
worrycue 3y ago
> Looks AI is going to even put the webcam girls out of business. I think camgirls will survive because the interaction with their audience is part of the appeal - there is a parasocial aspect to it.
noduerme 3y ago
My neighbors are cam girls. They spend all day in their backyard diddling themselves. On weekends they have mud wrestling in their kiddie pool, and occasionally rent a bouncy castle. Honestly, they're young and I think it's great they make money by partying, but it wouldn't be terrible if they had to find a new career path before they turn 30. And it wouldn't be a great loss to society if selling your body suddenly stopped being more lucrative than selling your mind. That being said, as the OP stated, this won't replace camming. Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. Overheard in my yard recently: two girls from this crew discussing a guy who wanted them to insert real vegetables into themselves. Which they rejected due to health concerns. And offered to buy silicone vegetables. The cam-man apparently didn't want that so they were discussing how much to charge him for putting themselves at risk of infection. That guy, whoever he is, won't be happy with an AI girlfriend.
- rimunroe 3y ago
  > Because people pay for cam girls to have a sense of power. I dated someone who did cam work. From what I remember there were people who just wanted to feel like they were in control, but most of her clients were mostly after the feeling of intimacy of doing something with another person and talking to them. You hear similar stories of from other sex workers.

seamac3 3y ago

Unbelievable!

hnaiobsession 3y ago

This is one more inevitable step in machine generated images. My main objection to this site is that the prime example, “Mindy”, definitely does not look like “a girl next door” but rather looks like a model or like someone with near-perfect body measurements. The latter is not what people understand by “girl next door”. It’s more like “my dream girl next door” for some boys and men. I’m sure there’s a “market” for machine generated images of “girl next door” and “boy next door”, but this one is not it (as of yet). The other image sets on this site are too small to judge anything.

ldehaan 3y ago

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nojvek 3y ago

I think the thing that scares me a lot more is dreamstudio. One can take a few pictures from social media of someone and turn them into a porn artist. It’s not perfect but getting a lot better each iteration. Wasn’t there a news article that a teacher lost a job over it.

fdhfdjkfhdkj 3y ago

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simonblack 3y ago

Porn seems like it'll be one of the big areas of ai in the short term. Isn't that Rule Number 34 of the Internet or some such rule? Every technological advance is first used to distribute porn. No exceptions.