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You've got this all backwards and you even proved their point. People don't _love_ tokenization, or DRM whatever. They LOVE the removal of friction, like buying

You've got this all backwards and you even proved their point. People don't _love_ tokenization, or DRM whatever. They LOVE the removal of friction, like buying things with their phone removes friction of carrying a wallet or a card or whatever I guess. On the other hand DRM makes things easier on the company, but as a consumer I don't really give a fuck about them or what extra work it causes them. In fact, they better have to do something otherwise I'm not paying for anything and they're just collecting rent for something I should be able to attain for free.

QuantumG 3y ago
DRM makes it possible for customers to rent products they don't want to own. If that isn't "removing friction" I dunno what is. Tokenization similarly makes it possible to buy stuff and not have to worry about what the merchant will do with your info. All possible because of cryptography hardware. The alternative is subscription platforms, where the payments happen behind the curtain.
- always2slow 3y ago
  You seem to be conflating loving the result vs loving the process that enables the result. Regular people mostly do not care about anything except the result. A simplified example: People love driving, they do not love the DMV and getting a driver's license that enables them to drive. Remote attestation is the equivalent then of saying ok we can't tell if the person who drives the car has a drivers license so lets mandate that a license cert is embedded on a chip and we'll implant that in you when you get your drivers license and it'll tell the car you're licensed. You're sitting here saying "people love getting implanted! See they're all doing it and driving their cars!" and some of us are like.. dude no that is so fucked up I don't want mandated anything implanted in me but I still have to be able to drive a car. I guess if you force me to do this at risk of being homeless or disabling my freedom of movement or at gunpoint I have no real choice. It's antithetical to the human spirit.
  - QuantumG 3y ago
    and what you're doing is getting all butt hurt over a technical solution. Cryptographic hardware is good.
    - always2slow 3y ago
      Good for whom? Good for me? No. Good for totalitarians and their bootlickers? yes.

QuantumG 3y ago

DRM makes it possible for customers to rent products they don't want to own. If that isn't "removing friction" I dunno what is. Tokenization similarly makes it possible to buy stuff and not have to worry about what the merchant will do with your info. All possible because of cryptography hardware. The alternative is subscription platforms, where the payments happen behind the curtain.

always2slow 3y ago
You seem to be conflating loving the result vs loving the process that enables the result. Regular people mostly do not care about anything except the result. A simplified example: People love driving, they do not love the DMV and getting a driver's license that enables them to drive. Remote attestation is the equivalent then of saying ok we can't tell if the person who drives the car has a drivers license so lets mandate that a license cert is embedded on a chip and we'll implant that in you when you get your drivers license and it'll tell the car you're licensed. You're sitting here saying "people love getting implanted! See they're all doing it and driving their cars!" and some of us are like.. dude no that is so fucked up I don't want mandated anything implanted in me but I still have to be able to drive a car. I guess if you force me to do this at risk of being homeless or disabling my freedom of movement or at gunpoint I have no real choice. It's antithetical to the human spirit.
- QuantumG 3y ago
  and what you're doing is getting all butt hurt over a technical solution. Cryptographic hardware is good.
  - always2slow 3y ago
    Good for whom? Good for me? No. Good for totalitarians and their bootlickers? yes.