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Well yeah, because enforcement was a joke.
by jacooper 3y ago
Well yeah, because enforcement was a joke.
- serf 3y agogiven that addictions still exist even for the most illicit drugs, I don't see that correlation. enforcement is significantly less 'a joke' for heroin and cocaine, yet addicts still exist for the products. also : is incarceration/penal-justice really the desired outcome here? Is the punchline here : "Would you rather be surrounded by ex-convicts or addicts?"
- ufmace 3y agoAnecdotally, enforcement is a joke for cocaine too. I know several people who use it recreationally, sometimes to slightly disturbing excess, and none have ever been in any legal trouble for it.
- ethanbond 3y agoNot if you were poor or black or Hispanic it wasn't (and obviously there's huge variation locale-to-locale)
- vunderba 3y agoExactly, OP very clearly didn't live through the Reagan administration and DARE.
- jacooper 3y agoI never lived in the U.S., but enforcement is a joke in the west in general. Countries like The UAE or Saudi Arabia don't seem to have any problems with high/drugged people on the streets for some reason, mainly because they actually enforce the rules, you take drugs, even just for personal use, you will go to jail, it's not a joke.
- ethanbond 3y agoI've lived in parts of the US where "they actually enforce the rules, you take drugs, even just for personal use, you will go to jail, it's not a joke" and yet there are widespread drug abuse problems. Curious ain't it
- jacooper 3y agoAnd how do you know they are widespread? Is it because people just casually say I take drugs? If that's it, then it still falls short. In those countries they actively hunt for drug users, they don't wait for you to get caught high at some kind of street checkpoint. And the population having an active moral compass helps for sure.
- ethanbond 3y agolmfao. UAE and Saudi Arabia have active moral compasses. Sure is active and pointing in some direction. Would you send your daughter, wife, or mother to live there as a local does -- i.e. without all the special privileges that Westerners get outside of the culture's standard "active moral compass"?
- jacooper 3y agoYou really have an outdated look about KSA and the UAE. Have you ever visited Dubai? Riyadh is almost there too. And yes they do have a moral compass, the population has a more united look on these issues.
- ethanbond 3y agoNo way, theocratic autocracies have “a more united look” on issues than a pluralistic democracy? That’s a feature of pluralism and a bug in theocracy — not the other way around. Outdated as of… when? 2018 when the morally advanced civilization of Saudi Arabia decided to let women drive? Or do you mean way back in 2023 in UAE where it’s completely legal for a husband to rape his wife and, if killed for “a good reason” (like being raped), her killer goes unpunished so long as her father acquits? Not sure there’s much to discuss here, I think we just care about different things. You care about drug addicts not existing and you’re fine with actively “hunting” them to achieve that, I care about everyone in a society having basic legal rights and protections of law. UAE and KSA are in fact making a lot of progress, but they are making progress against the direction you are holding on high. Even on the drug enforcement issue!
- mtlmtlmtlmtl 3y agoOk, tell me, how would you enforce it?
- jacooper 3y agoAsk the UAE about that. They don't seem to have any drugged idiots on the streets for some reason.