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No, you can't know without knowing the ratio of good to bad. With more popularity comes more negative experiences as well. And as with everything in life those

No, you can't know without knowing the ratio of good to bad. With more popularity comes more negative experiences as well. And as with everything in life those with an axe to grind keep harping on forever and everywhere, making it more visible than the silent enjoyers.

AlbertCory 3y ago
"silent enjoyers" -- examples wanted? Some people never complain; they just leave. Others persevere because they're insensitive. If I look at Yelp reviews, one or two bad reviews are standard. But if there are 30-40, all different, then I suspect something's up. It doesn't matter about "the ratio of good to bad." If you're pissing off a lot of customers, you are bad. Period.
- matsemann 3y ago
  You could probably find 40 negative reviews of Apple world wide. But they are obviously bad then. Period.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    You just don't give up, do you? Irrelevant. No one looks at Yelp to find out about Apple.
    - matsemann 3y ago
      "Give up"? I'm just poking holes in your argument, not sure why I got anything to give up? Is me doing that worse than you not "giving up" somehow? It's not irrelevant. I didn't even mention yelp so that's a straw man. You said the ratio didn't matter. I claimed it does, as looking at absolute numbers of complaints makes no sense. That's it. But fine, I'll "give up", this isn't fruitful :)
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        I said, "If I look at Yelp reviews, one or two bad reviews are standard." So yes, it IS relevant, whether you forgot that or not.
bjornasm 3y ago
Why are you just dismissing people with an other viewpoint than you as "those with an axe to grind" that "keep on harping forever and everywhere"? Your complete disregard of others experience and viewpoint is extremely in line with the elements that people dont like about SO. "So that is your opinion, experience and thoughts? WRONG!". Add in some offhand slights, that will teach them!
- matsemann 3y ago
  Aren't you dismissing my viewpoint that it's not as bad as those claim? Is my experience worth less? I honestly don't get your point. And nice straw man in your last sentence. Quite ironic while complaining about SO being the toxic ones..
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    Well, well. If we go to SO we see that a "matsemann" has been a member for 11 years, had 20,000+ reputation points, and is a "publicist" and a "steward". Maybe that's not you, of course.
    - matsemann 3y ago
      Relevant, how? You're probably going to accuse me of some bias. I'm however going to claim I then know more of the state of SO, given my active membership there...
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        Usually writers do "full disclosure" when their objectivity is open to question. Especially when they have 15 comments on one post. One does suspect they have an axe to grind. As for "knowing about it" -- when hordes of people try it once or twice and get instantly repulsed (an experience we see in the other comments here), you could certainly claim they don't "know about it." However, that doesn't disqualify them. Otherwise, Survivor Bias only lets in the people who like it.

AlbertCory 3y ago

"silent enjoyers" -- examples wanted? Some people never complain; they just leave. Others persevere because they're insensitive. If I look at Yelp reviews, one or two bad reviews are standard. But if there are 30-40, all different, then I suspect something's up. It doesn't matter about "the ratio of good to bad." If you're pissing off a lot of customers, you are bad. Period.

matsemann 3y ago
You could probably find 40 negative reviews of Apple world wide. But they are obviously bad then. Period.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  You just don't give up, do you? Irrelevant. No one looks at Yelp to find out about Apple.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    "Give up"? I'm just poking holes in your argument, not sure why I got anything to give up? Is me doing that worse than you not "giving up" somehow? It's not irrelevant. I didn't even mention yelp so that's a straw man. You said the ratio didn't matter. I claimed it does, as looking at absolute numbers of complaints makes no sense. That's it. But fine, I'll "give up", this isn't fruitful :)
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      I said, "If I look at Yelp reviews, one or two bad reviews are standard." So yes, it IS relevant, whether you forgot that or not.

bjornasm 3y ago

Why are you just dismissing people with an other viewpoint than you as "those with an axe to grind" that "keep on harping forever and everywhere"? Your complete disregard of others experience and viewpoint is extremely in line with the elements that people dont like about SO. "So that is your opinion, experience and thoughts? WRONG!". Add in some offhand slights, that will teach them!

matsemann 3y ago
Aren't you dismissing my viewpoint that it's not as bad as those claim? Is my experience worth less? I honestly don't get your point. And nice straw man in your last sentence. Quite ironic while complaining about SO being the toxic ones..
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Well, well. If we go to SO we see that a "matsemann" has been a member for 11 years, had 20,000+ reputation points, and is a "publicist" and a "steward". Maybe that's not you, of course.
  - matsemann 3y ago
    Relevant, how? You're probably going to accuse me of some bias. I'm however going to claim I then know more of the state of SO, given my active membership there...
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      Usually writers do "full disclosure" when their objectivity is open to question. Especially when they have 15 comments on one post. One does suspect they have an axe to grind. As for "knowing about it" -- when hordes of people try it once or twice and get instantly repulsed (an experience we see in the other comments here), you could certainly claim they don't "know about it." However, that doesn't disqualify them. Otherwise, Survivor Bias only lets in the people who like it.