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> Fedora is particularly bad at what you describe. Thank goodness. There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable rele

> Fedora is particularly bad at what you describe. Thank goodness. There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable release with great support for most of the latest hardware AND rapid package/kernel updates (approaching a rolling release). This must not be easy since its so rare. Whatever they are doing regarding maintainership is working very well from what I can tell.

freedomben 3y ago
> There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable release with great support for most of the latest hardware AND rapid package/kernel updates (approaching a rolling release). This has nothing to do with that. They could absolutely make it easier for new people without harming their quality. For God's sake just better documentation would help, and I don't see how they're going to lose hardware support because they wrote one canonical page with all the info you need. The process should be more of a checklist to complete, and less of post-crime forensic investigation where tons of details and tips are missing and people have to draw flow charts and hunt for missing information just to figure out what the next step should be. Your reply is a (very) shallow dismissal of an actual issue and (assuming you're not alone) probably the reason this is such a problem in the first place.
unmole 3y ago
OpenSUSE Tumbleweed says hi.
- ezekiel68 3y ago
  Maybe so. You wanna hear something crazy? I'm still salty over MS partnering with SuSE to offer Linux indemnification from SCO's legal action in 2004. But I'm not entirely impractical. Most how-tos and tutorials cover the Debian and RedHat descendents but only occasionally cover rolling distros or SuSE derivatives.
lannisterstark 3y ago
That's...not what they meant. That's not what's happening either. It discourages newer maintainers. older maintainers eventually retire. What a strange POV. "Thank goodness x and y are blocked off." It's easy to make the same argument for proprietary software. "Thank goodness x or y don't allow just randos to touch their source code and make PRs. That'd be DISASTROUS!"
- crznp 3y ago
  I don't think it is a strange point of view: Fedora is a good outcome, so don't question how the sausage is made. Maybe it is shortsighted in the long run? We'll see. I'm glad that we have choices -- AUR on one hand, Fedora on the other (and Debian, Alpine, etc)

freedomben 3y ago

> There is no other free Linux distro out there which gives the benefits of both a stable release with great support for most of the latest hardware AND rapid package/kernel updates (approaching a rolling release). This has nothing to do with that. They could absolutely make it easier for new people without harming their quality. For God's sake just better documentation would help, and I don't see how they're going to lose hardware support because they wrote one canonical page with all the info you need. The process should be more of a checklist to complete, and less of post-crime forensic investigation where tons of details and tips are missing and people have to draw flow charts and hunt for missing information just to figure out what the next step should be. Your reply is a (very) shallow dismissal of an actual issue and (assuming you're not alone) probably the reason this is such a problem in the first place.

unmole 3y ago

OpenSUSE Tumbleweed says hi.

ezekiel68 3y ago
Maybe so. You wanna hear something crazy? I'm still salty over MS partnering with SuSE to offer Linux indemnification from SCO's legal action in 2004. But I'm not entirely impractical. Most how-tos and tutorials cover the Debian and RedHat descendents but only occasionally cover rolling distros or SuSE derivatives.

lannisterstark 3y ago

That's...not what they meant. That's not what's happening either. It discourages newer maintainers. older maintainers eventually retire. What a strange POV. "Thank goodness x and y are blocked off." It's easy to make the same argument for proprietary software. "Thank goodness x or y don't allow just randos to touch their source code and make PRs. That'd be DISASTROUS!"

crznp 3y ago
I don't think it is a strange point of view: Fedora is a good outcome, so don't question how the sausage is made. Maybe it is shortsighted in the long run? We'll see. I'm glad that we have choices -- AUR on one hand, Fedora on the other (and Debian, Alpine, etc)