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The trickle down effects of Apple being a $3T corporation that is widely beloved and did it all on the back of a fiercely guarded walled garden.

neaumusic 3y ago
I personally think Apple does things correctly, and they do charge a premium, but they sell good products rather than requiring more of your time and energy (ads)
- candiddevmike 3y ago
  Apple has ads[1][2][3] 1 - https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ 2 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-aapl-set-to-expand-advertising-bringing-ads-to-maps-tv-and-books-apps-l6tdqqmg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-... 3 - https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-lauren-fry-1850157827 https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-la...
  - katbyte 3y ago
    AFAIK just on the App Store. That’s it.
intelVISA 3y ago
I love Apple, their white walls keep me safe; they even open and read all my letters (bins) for me to double check I'm safe :)
HWR_14 3y ago
The difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.
- kccqzy 3y ago
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  - LargeTomato 3y ago
    I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.
    - jacooper 3y ago
      They do, apple sells ads too.
    - drdaeman 3y ago
      > Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data They simply understand most of your data isn't worth anything, it's a liability rather than an asset. They know it'd be a waste of energy and customer relations to peek into most of it, so they don't bother. They collect what they can readily use (such as your purchase history - they're pretty open about it), and don't care about the rest (spying on your conversations or photos in hope to build a marketing profile is still a cyberpunk fantasy). And because they don't do this, there's no reason not to capitalize it by advertising themselves as some privacy guardians. Not doing so would be a waste. Google and Facebook are failing, because they bought this "big data big brother big money" meme which they rode cheerfully while the hype was high, and now it's time for a realization. When contenders who say "we don't track you" perform no worse (or even better) than all those data hoards that were supposed to predict future, it's a sign that immense worth of personal data was overhyped.
      - katbyte 3y ago
        They also make money on hardware not advertising - that data is useless to their core revenue streams (and might actually hurt them) where Facebook and google sell ads
    - 3y ago
joshl32532 3y ago
What does this have to do with Apple's "walled garden"? They are able to charge 30% of app revenue because they can. They are a for profit company. Amazon Fire did not do that because nobody uses it. Now that it has some traction, lo and behold, they want their cut as well. If anything, Roku is the direct competitor (low cost streaming stick) and they take 30% ad revenue. But Apple gets the blame. lol.
mattbrewsbytes 3y ago
Back in the days when TiVo was a thing, I built a MythTV box including all the troubleshooting of a capture card, X windows settings, getting a remote to work, etc. to the point where my non-tech spouse could use it like a set top box. It even looked like a set top box. This was when Netflix was DVD by mail. The last Windows laptop I bought bricked itself in a week, the Amazon stick needed constant reboots, I don't care about side-loading apps/widgets/software on my devices - I want them to be like my refrigerator and just work. AppleTV devices are much better than others. Once you're in the Apple walled garden things are much easier on me as an end user. There are seamless transitions from device to device if I want, sharing between them is a breeze. Sure other platforms are "open" or might have more advanced features, but I don't want to waste my time doing tech support having the BeenThereDoneThat™ patch. Edit to add: "open" usually just means you have countless versions of "standards" to try and get things to interoperate. I deal enough with that at work to be turned off from dealing with that at home when I just want to chill and consume whatever nonsense I'm into.
turquoisevar 3y ago
Hardly comparable. One started a platform with an upfront communicated commission rate that, at the time, was literally received with applause because before that the rates were significantly worse for developers and has never raised the rate in its entire history (instead lowered it for certain circumstances). The other is a bait and switch, luring people onto the platform under one set of rules, only to pull the rug from under them years after the status quo was established and change the rules to impose a commission that didn’t apply to them until now. One is hard to argue as an anti-trust violation and the other is pretty much a textbook example.

neaumusic 3y ago

I personally think Apple does things correctly, and they do charge a premium, but they sell good products rather than requiring more of your time and energy (ads)

candiddevmike 3y ago
Apple has ads[1][2][3] 1 - https://searchads.apple.com/ https://searchads.apple.com/ 2 - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-aapl-set-to-expand-advertising-bringing-ads-to-maps-tv-and-books-apps-l6tdqqmg https://www.bloomberg.com/news/newsletters/2022-08-14/apple-... 3 - https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-lauren-fry-1850157827 https://gizmodo.com/apple-tv-plus-more-ads-coming-tv-exec-la...
- katbyte 3y ago
  AFAIK just on the App Store. That’s it.

intelVISA 3y ago

I love Apple, their white walls keep me safe; they even open and read all my letters (bins) for me to double check I'm safe :)

HWR_14 3y ago

The difference is I feel Apple's walls protect me as well as their profits. I do not feel the same about Amazon/Microsoft/Meta/Google.

kccqzy 3y ago
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- LargeTomato 3y ago
  I'm in the Google ecosystem but I agree with the sentiment. Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data. Since they've begun differentiating themselves through their emphasis on privacy I think they have a financial incentive to protect my privacy.
  - jacooper 3y ago
    They do, apple sells ads too.
  - drdaeman 3y ago
    > Apple has no financial incentive to collect my data They simply understand most of your data isn't worth anything, it's a liability rather than an asset. They know it'd be a waste of energy and customer relations to peek into most of it, so they don't bother. They collect what they can readily use (such as your purchase history - they're pretty open about it), and don't care about the rest (spying on your conversations or photos in hope to build a marketing profile is still a cyberpunk fantasy). And because they don't do this, there's no reason not to capitalize it by advertising themselves as some privacy guardians. Not doing so would be a waste. Google and Facebook are failing, because they bought this "big data big brother big money" meme which they rode cheerfully while the hype was high, and now it's time for a realization. When contenders who say "we don't track you" perform no worse (or even better) than all those data hoards that were supposed to predict future, it's a sign that immense worth of personal data was overhyped.
    - katbyte 3y ago
      They also make money on hardware not advertising - that data is useless to their core revenue streams (and might actually hurt them) where Facebook and google sell ads
  - 3y ago

joshl32532 3y ago

What does this have to do with Apple's "walled garden"? They are able to charge 30% of app revenue because they can. They are a for profit company. Amazon Fire did not do that because nobody uses it. Now that it has some traction, lo and behold, they want their cut as well. If anything, Roku is the direct competitor (low cost streaming stick) and they take 30% ad revenue. But Apple gets the blame. lol.

mattbrewsbytes 3y ago

Back in the days when TiVo was a thing, I built a MythTV box including all the troubleshooting of a capture card, X windows settings, getting a remote to work, etc. to the point where my non-tech spouse could use it like a set top box. It even looked like a set top box. This was when Netflix was DVD by mail. The last Windows laptop I bought bricked itself in a week, the Amazon stick needed constant reboots, I don't care about side-loading apps/widgets/software on my devices - I want them to be like my refrigerator and just work. AppleTV devices are much better than others. Once you're in the Apple walled garden things are much easier on me as an end user. There are seamless transitions from device to device if I want, sharing between them is a breeze. Sure other platforms are "open" or might have more advanced features, but I don't want to waste my time doing tech support having the BeenThereDoneThat™ patch. Edit to add: "open" usually just means you have countless versions of "standards" to try and get things to interoperate. I deal enough with that at work to be turned off from dealing with that at home when I just want to chill and consume whatever nonsense I'm into.

turquoisevar 3y ago

Hardly comparable. One started a platform with an upfront communicated commission rate that, at the time, was literally received with applause because before that the rates were significantly worse for developers and has never raised the rate in its entire history (instead lowered it for certain circumstances). The other is a bait and switch, luring people onto the platform under one set of rules, only to pull the rug from under them years after the status quo was established and change the rules to impose a commission that didn’t apply to them until now. One is hard to argue as an anti-trust violation and the other is pretty much a textbook example.