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Because summaries like this still stand up as of today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8998290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8998290 > XMPP is gr

by j1elo 3y ago

Because summaries like this still stand up as of today: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8998290 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=8998290 > XMPP is great for what it was designed for. It doesn't work well with mobile, high packet loss & high latency connections. XMPP is talkative and bandwidth intensive - bad for limited data/battery applications. It also wasn't designed for today's 1 person multiple devices reality. Most XMPP servers let you log in multiple times but messages don't sync between clients and sometimes get delivered to the client the user isnt currently in front of. > Also, sending files over XMPP has pretty much always sucked - there are a bunch of incompatible ways to do it and it's always been hit and miss depending on which client your chat partner was using, network topography, etc. Also, overload of XEPs doesn't help the ecosystem. Too many optional extensions hinders interop. People expect more features in modern chat experiences than what XMPP was designed for, and that's what XEPs have tried to fix as a bandaid, with mixed results. On top of that, the technology choices are par of the course for the time it was designed, and nowadays there are arguably better things. Devs are naturally driven to choose tech that makes their work nicer, if they enjoy it, so that means more stuff gets done for the newer platform, in this case. As an example, coincidentally, another HN post today was touching on one of those points - the need for a very advanced XML parser, as a typical one apparently wouldn't be enough: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36930196 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36930196

Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago
> It doesn't work well with mobile, high packet loss & high latency connections. This is an absolutely false, baseless statement, mostly amounting to FUD. Messages work well on mobile, and they sync between devices just fine. > Also, overload of XEPs doesn't help the ecosystem. On the contrary, XEPs create the ecosystem. As I often say, Matrix is not a protocol, it's a product with an API created by a single organization.
- sdflhasjd 3y ago
  I worked briefly on a mobile XMPP chat solution a few years ago, and considering this was when 3G was the best you could get and the application had to deal with some pretty bad connections, I don't remember XMPP having any intrinsic limitations like that.

by j1elo 3y ago

Andrew_nenakhov 3y ago

> It doesn't work well with mobile, high packet loss & high latency connections. This is an absolutely false, baseless statement, mostly amounting to FUD. Messages work well on mobile, and they sync between devices just fine. > Also, overload of XEPs doesn't help the ecosystem. On the contrary, XEPs create the ecosystem. As I often say, Matrix is not a protocol, it's a product with an API created by a single organization.

sdflhasjd 3y ago
I worked briefly on a mobile XMPP chat solution a few years ago, and considering this was when 3G was the best you could get and the application had to deal with some pretty bad connections, I don't remember XMPP having any intrinsic limitations like that.