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Detective Spooner: "You are a clever imitation of life. Can a robot write a symphony? Can a robot take a blank canvas and turn it into a masterpiece?" Sonny: "

Detective Spooner: "You are a clever imitation of life. Can a robot write a symphony? Can a robot take a blank canvas and turn it into a masterpiece?" Sonny: "Can you?"

poulpy123 3y ago
No but I can draw five fingers to a hand.
- lucubratory 3y ago
  So can AI. A few months is years in this space.
  - poulpy123 3y ago
    * they still struggle * They learned literally on hundred of millions of pictures, if not billions and still need specific trainig/code to draw 5 fingers * human needs only few examples to learn it, or even just a sentence, despite all the biological limits
    - lucubratory 3y ago
      We evolved visual and hand dexterity for considerably more than two millions years (more like hundreds of millions, I don't care to go find out when hands first evolved but the neural crest was 550 million years ago), and we need many, many more than "only few examples" to be able to draw hands, let alone a sentence. This is something you could only possibly say if you have never tried to draw a realistic hand. There is a reason that long before AI image generation was publicly talked about, many artists joked all the time about how they could draw everything except hands correctly. Hands are particularly difficult to draw. If anything, it is genuinely interesting and maybe worthy of research as to why hands are so hard for us to draw and why they are so hard for these DL networks to draw, and if the reasons are related.
southernplaces7 3y ago
So what if you cant either. You as a human at least possess the self-direction and innate will to direct your own actions and thoughts in some direction. Does AI? No it doesn't. It literally does nothing unless directed by human-set parameters into doing so. For now, regardless of technical abilities, this makes AI far from anything that can easily be defined as sentient.

Detective Spooner: "You are a clever imitation of life. Can a robot write a symphony? Can a robot take a blank canvas and turn it into a masterpiece?" Sonny: "Can you?"

poulpy123 3y ago

No but I can draw five fingers to a hand.

lucubratory 3y ago
So can AI. A few months is years in this space.
- poulpy123 3y ago
  * they still struggle * They learned literally on hundred of millions of pictures, if not billions and still need specific trainig/code to draw 5 fingers * human needs only few examples to learn it, or even just a sentence, despite all the biological limits
  - lucubratory 3y ago
    We evolved visual and hand dexterity for considerably more than two millions years (more like hundreds of millions, I don't care to go find out when hands first evolved but the neural crest was 550 million years ago), and we need many, many more than "only few examples" to be able to draw hands, let alone a sentence. This is something you could only possibly say if you have never tried to draw a realistic hand. There is a reason that long before AI image generation was publicly talked about, many artists joked all the time about how they could draw everything except hands correctly. Hands are particularly difficult to draw. If anything, it is genuinely interesting and maybe worthy of research as to why hands are so hard for us to draw and why they are so hard for these DL networks to draw, and if the reasons are related.

southernplaces7 3y ago

So what if you cant either. You as a human at least possess the self-direction and innate will to direct your own actions and thoughts in some direction. Does AI? No it doesn't. It literally does nothing unless directed by human-set parameters into doing so. For now, regardless of technical abilities, this makes AI far from anything that can easily be defined as sentient.