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> what do you like about XMPP? - plenty of fast native clients - server resource usage - simplicity of the protocol, especially the encryption

rglullis 3y ago
> plenty of fast native clients And God help you making all of them talk to each other properly...
- leetnewb 3y ago
  I have used conversations (and derivatives), gajim, dino, converse.js, and movim to have omemo encrypted xmpp conversations; and I talk to people on Siskin and have used profanity in the past. Seems to work properly, unless I'm missing something.
  - rglullis 3y ago
    Now try to make a voice and/or video call.
    - leetnewb 3y ago
      I do/have, with conversations, siskin, movim, and I think dino. Can you expand on your experiences?
      - rglullis 3y ago
        gajim, pidgin, dino... none of them worked when I tried to call from my desktop to my Conversations' app on Android.
    - progval 3y ago
      Does any Matrix client support voice/video calls other than Element (including Hydrogen as it shares Element Web's codebase)?
      - timokoesters 3y ago
        Fluffychat supports it too. Check out https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/ https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/, you can click the clients for a feature list.
      - Arathorn 3y ago
        Hydrogen does not share a single line of Element Web’s codebase.
        progval 3y ago
        I must have got it confused with another client then. Wasn't there another lightweight one made by Element-the-company that reuses the react SDK?
        Arathorn 3y ago
        nope.
  - j16sdiz 3y ago
    Before XEP-0459, every client implement their own subset of standard and seldom talks with clients that implement a differnt subset.
kitkat_new 3y ago
> - simplicity of the protocol, especially the encryption only simple for developers though - due to the lack of Cross Signing it is very difficult to keep communication secure.
- rhn_mk1 3y ago
  What is cross siging in the messaging context?
  - kitkat_new 3y ago
    implicitly verifying all (including future) of somebody's devices although running through the verification process only once. Without it, e.g. if you log into a new session, you have to verify with all your contacts before you can safely use that session for communication

rglullis 3y ago

> plenty of fast native clients And God help you making all of them talk to each other properly...

leetnewb 3y ago
I have used conversations (and derivatives), gajim, dino, converse.js, and movim to have omemo encrypted xmpp conversations; and I talk to people on Siskin and have used profanity in the past. Seems to work properly, unless I'm missing something.
- rglullis 3y ago
  Now try to make a voice and/or video call.
  - leetnewb 3y ago
    I do/have, with conversations, siskin, movim, and I think dino. Can you expand on your experiences?
    - rglullis 3y ago
      gajim, pidgin, dino... none of them worked when I tried to call from my desktop to my Conversations' app on Android.
  - progval 3y ago
    Does any Matrix client support voice/video calls other than Element (including Hydrogen as it shares Element Web's codebase)?
    - timokoesters 3y ago
      Fluffychat supports it too. Check out https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/ https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/, you can click the clients for a feature list.
    - Arathorn 3y ago
      Hydrogen does not share a single line of Element Web’s codebase.
      - progval 3y ago
        I must have got it confused with another client then. Wasn't there another lightweight one made by Element-the-company that reuses the react SDK?
        Arathorn 3y ago
        nope.
- j16sdiz 3y ago
  Before XEP-0459, every client implement their own subset of standard and seldom talks with clients that implement a differnt subset.

kitkat_new 3y ago

> - simplicity of the protocol, especially the encryption only simple for developers though - due to the lack of Cross Signing it is very difficult to keep communication secure.

rhn_mk1 3y ago
What is cross siging in the messaging context?
- kitkat_new 3y ago
  implicitly verifying all (including future) of somebody's devices although running through the verification process only once. Without it, e.g. if you log into a new session, you have to verify with all your contacts before you can safely use that session for communication