3 ms·

Funny, I recently got pretty frustrated looking for a decent Matrix client. Not even Element claimed to support the full list of features on the Matrix website.

Funny, I recently got pretty frustrated looking for a decent Matrix client. Not even Element claimed to support the full list of features on the Matrix website. And Element has super bizarre behavior like not allowing to paste into the message composer. And good luck getting help when a client doesn't work. That said, I can't claim XMPP clients are any better.

Arathorn 3y ago
Element is basically 3 different clients - web, ios and android are different codebases. Paste to composer should work on all of them tho! Meanwhile on mobile there is a new client called Element X which is a single codebase built on matrix-rust-sdk: https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... Classic Element should support every specced feature in Matrix tho, and tonnes of MSCs, so unsure what features you’d be missing. Meanwhile Element X is less featureful, but way more performant and stable (we’re aiming for better-than-telegram UX and perf).
- freeopinion 3y ago
  Thanks for the reply. I saw your demo of Element X a while back and it looked awesome. I'm excited for it to show up for desktop use. Of course you are already familiar with https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/ https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/. I know it is pretty ticky to point out that "Multi Account" is not supported, but it happened to be a feature I was particularly looking for in my search. My IRC client, for instance, lets me be logged into multiple servers with different accounts at the same time. Yes, I know that a single account on one server can communicate across all federated servers. The same is true for email, yet my email client allows me to use multiple accounts. I'm heartened to see that you have included the feature on your checklist. I hope that means somebody is thinking about it. I know that Element should allow me to paste into the composer. I was told exactly that in the matrix room when I asked. "Works for me" is as frustrating a response as ever. I've seen the issue reported a number of times by different people with pretty decent detail, but I haven't seen a solution. Just "works for me" responses. I'm still a Matrix user. I just accept that I don't have everything smoothed out the way I'd like. My post above was just a response to the claim that XMPP clients don't have uniform features. Well, as you know, neither do Matrix clients. But you weren't the one making that argument. Don't take my posts as negative criticism, even if there is some criticism there. Keep up the great work. Keep getting better.
  - nani8ot 3y ago
    FluffyChat does have multi-account support, but it's also a feature I'm missing on Element.
- xethos 3y ago
  > we’re aiming for better-than-telegram UX and perf) Oh thank god - my (admittedly not-brand-new) phone doesn't have quite enough RAM to keep Element fed and happy. 300 meg doesn't sound like much till all apps are limited to the ~2GB left over after the OS takes it's cut. Element supports stickers though, and I haven't found any other Android clients that support stickers while also being lighter. Kudos though - Matrix has come a long, long way since I first played around with riot.im!
- jeltz 3y ago
  Do you plan to do something like Element X but for desktop?
COGlory 3y ago
I paste into Element all the time, on web, desktop, and Android
rhn_mk1 3y ago
> Element has super bizarre behavior like not allowing to paste into the message composer It requires the clipboard API. Puzzling decision, given that native pasting worked before, but here we are.

Arathorn 3y ago

Element is basically 3 different clients - web, ios and android are different codebases. Paste to composer should work on all of them tho! Meanwhile on mobile there is a new client called Element X which is a single codebase built on matrix-rust-sdk: https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-element https://element.io/blog/element-x-experience-the-future-of-e.... Classic Element should support every specced feature in Matrix tho, and tonnes of MSCs, so unsure what features you’d be missing. Meanwhile Element X is less featureful, but way more performant and stable (we’re aiming for better-than-telegram UX and perf).

freeopinion 3y ago
Thanks for the reply. I saw your demo of Element X a while back and it looked awesome. I'm excited for it to show up for desktop use. Of course you are already familiar with https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/ https://matrix.org/ecosystem/clients/element/. I know it is pretty ticky to point out that "Multi Account" is not supported, but it happened to be a feature I was particularly looking for in my search. My IRC client, for instance, lets me be logged into multiple servers with different accounts at the same time. Yes, I know that a single account on one server can communicate across all federated servers. The same is true for email, yet my email client allows me to use multiple accounts. I'm heartened to see that you have included the feature on your checklist. I hope that means somebody is thinking about it. I know that Element should allow me to paste into the composer. I was told exactly that in the matrix room when I asked. "Works for me" is as frustrating a response as ever. I've seen the issue reported a number of times by different people with pretty decent detail, but I haven't seen a solution. Just "works for me" responses. I'm still a Matrix user. I just accept that I don't have everything smoothed out the way I'd like. My post above was just a response to the claim that XMPP clients don't have uniform features. Well, as you know, neither do Matrix clients. But you weren't the one making that argument. Don't take my posts as negative criticism, even if there is some criticism there. Keep up the great work. Keep getting better.
- nani8ot 3y ago
  FluffyChat does have multi-account support, but it's also a feature I'm missing on Element.
xethos 3y ago
> we’re aiming for better-than-telegram UX and perf) Oh thank god - my (admittedly not-brand-new) phone doesn't have quite enough RAM to keep Element fed and happy. 300 meg doesn't sound like much till all apps are limited to the ~2GB left over after the OS takes it's cut. Element supports stickers though, and I haven't found any other Android clients that support stickers while also being lighter. Kudos though - Matrix has come a long, long way since I first played around with riot.im!
jeltz 3y ago
Do you plan to do something like Element X but for desktop?

COGlory 3y ago

I paste into Element all the time, on web, desktop, and Android

rhn_mk1 3y ago

> Element has super bizarre behavior like not allowing to paste into the message composer It requires the clipboard API. Puzzling decision, given that native pasting worked before, but here we are.