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The price for clear is negligible—-$190/year which includes all minor family members. It’s odd take to think that is something that is only attainable for weal

The price for clear is negligible—-$190/year which includes all minor family members. It’s odd take to think that is something that is only attainable for wealthy travelers. What’s the point of money if it cannot be exchanged for increased convenience?

lotsofpulp 3y ago
This is the government erecting barriers for no reason, then understaffing to make lines longer, then you get to pay government to buy back some of your time, and you get to pay a private company to buy back some more of your time.
- balls187 3y ago
  From a quick websearch [1], it shows that the airport with the longest wait time on average was 26 minutes (STL) for a TSA checkpoint. What should that target number be? Also, how many people who arrive within the recommended window (2 hours before departure time for domestic, 3 hours for international) miss their flight due to security checkpoint delays, and how many people over all miss their flight due to security delays. The purpose of the onboarding process (of which TSA checkpoints is one portion) is to maximize passenger safety, not minimize frustration. How much should US tax payers be expected to pay for better customer service? [1]: https://usebounce.com/blog/airport-wait-times-2023 https://usebounce.com/blog/airport-wait-times-2023
Beldin 3y ago
You may not realise this, but you need to be reasonably affluent *and* fly quite a bit for this to make sense. An extra $190 to shave off 15 or so minutes(1) for 1 or 2 trips a year is, frankly, not an affordable luxury for most. For families it'd be worth it sooner, but if 2 parents join, you'll need to fork over $380. You could also put that towards your family holidays. E.g., it's enough for three tickets to Disney World. (1) another comment stated that average regular TSA wait time was 26 min worst-case.
- balls187 3y ago
  We're mostly saying the same thing here--though adding an adult is only $60, so it's $250 for a family. If you fly infrequently, it's probably not worth the cost. If you do fly frequently, it probably is. However, in response to the commenter whom I originally replied to, my opinion is Clear is not a luxury for only the wealthy. And it seems silly to prohibit Clear because of philosophical opposition to paying for expedited access.
- mmh0000 3y ago
  Flying isn't just for luxury. In my previous job, I was sent to client sites, a week at a time, for about 60% of the year. I flew 2ish weeks a month every month for years. Because of the above, I demanded to only fly Delta, and I got the Amex Skymiles credit card. I built status, and often, got free upgrades to First Class. Another "not-a-luxury" thing. When you're boarding and you walk by all the First Class passengers, most of them are there on their company's dime, and nearly all got a free upgrade or paid a highly reduced rate. The AMEX SkyMiles Credit Card also pays for your PreCheck or Global Entry. So even that was "free" for me (depending how you define 'free' and 'credit cards')
  - balls187 3y ago
    Delta Amex also pays for Clear. That's what I used. Once my wifes work schedule settles down, I plan on upgrading to the platinum amex.

lotsofpulp 3y ago

This is the government erecting barriers for no reason, then understaffing to make lines longer, then you get to pay government to buy back some of your time, and you get to pay a private company to buy back some more of your time.

balls187 3y ago
From a quick websearch [1], it shows that the airport with the longest wait time on average was 26 minutes (STL) for a TSA checkpoint. What should that target number be? Also, how many people who arrive within the recommended window (2 hours before departure time for domestic, 3 hours for international) miss their flight due to security checkpoint delays, and how many people over all miss their flight due to security delays. The purpose of the onboarding process (of which TSA checkpoints is one portion) is to maximize passenger safety, not minimize frustration. How much should US tax payers be expected to pay for better customer service? [1]: https://usebounce.com/blog/airport-wait-times-2023 https://usebounce.com/blog/airport-wait-times-2023

Beldin 3y ago

You may not realise this, but you need to be reasonably affluent *and* fly quite a bit for this to make sense. An extra $190 to shave off 15 or so minutes(1) for 1 or 2 trips a year is, frankly, not an affordable luxury for most. For families it'd be worth it sooner, but if 2 parents join, you'll need to fork over $380. You could also put that towards your family holidays. E.g., it's enough for three tickets to Disney World. (1) another comment stated that average regular TSA wait time was 26 min worst-case.

balls187 3y ago
We're mostly saying the same thing here--though adding an adult is only $60, so it's $250 for a family. If you fly infrequently, it's probably not worth the cost. If you do fly frequently, it probably is. However, in response to the commenter whom I originally replied to, my opinion is Clear is not a luxury for only the wealthy. And it seems silly to prohibit Clear because of philosophical opposition to paying for expedited access.
mmh0000 3y ago
Flying isn't just for luxury. In my previous job, I was sent to client sites, a week at a time, for about 60% of the year. I flew 2ish weeks a month every month for years. Because of the above, I demanded to only fly Delta, and I got the Amex Skymiles credit card. I built status, and often, got free upgrades to First Class. Another "not-a-luxury" thing. When you're boarding and you walk by all the First Class passengers, most of them are there on their company's dime, and nearly all got a free upgrade or paid a highly reduced rate. The AMEX SkyMiles Credit Card also pays for your PreCheck or Global Entry. So even that was "free" for me (depending how you define 'free' and 'credit cards')
- balls187 3y ago
  Delta Amex also pays for Clear. That's what I used. Once my wifes work schedule settles down, I plan on upgrading to the platinum amex.