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The vaccines have been ineffective at preventing infection from COVID. There is evidence that they reduce the severity of symptoms when you do catch it, but it

by _2z1p 3y ago

The vaccines have been ineffective at preventing infection from COVID. There is evidence that they reduce the severity of symptoms when you do catch it, but it does nearly nothing to prevent infection with COVID. https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-2023-04-19/05-COVID-Link-Gelles-508.pdf https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/acip/meetings/downloads/slides-...

yellowapple 3y ago
Prevention ain't some binary absolute. It's a matter of reducing viral load, which in turn reduces both severity of symptoms (often to the point of nonexistence) and the likelihood of retransmission. Would you say that life vests are "ineffective at preventing drowning" just because some people drown despite wearing life vests?
- _2z1p 3y ago
  We were told in no uncertain terms that this vaccine was 95% effective at preventing COVID and there were no side effects. Now all of a sudden the authorities are sheepishly admitting, no, it's not anywhere near 95% effective and it just reduces symptoms of COVID to more manageable levels. So I'm not surprised to hear that they lied about there being no side effects. Just so you know, the FDA wanted 55 years to comply with a FOIA request related to the vaccines, so that seems a bit suspicious to me. Almost like they have some things to hide. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants...
  - yellowapple 3y ago
    > We were told in no uncertain terms By whom? I don't recall any actual authorities speaking in such absolutes. (Laypersons and journalists and politicians, on the other hand...) > So I'm not surprised to hear that they lied about there being no side effects. "We don't know of any side effects at this time" (even assuming that was ever said, which it wasn't; soreness, allergic reactions, fatigue, etc. were known and declared as side effects since pretty much day 1) is not a lie, even if it's discovered later that there might be some (additional) side effects. > Just so you know, the FDA wanted 55 years to comply with a FOIA request related to the vaccines, so that seems a bit suspicious to me. Almost like they have some things to hide. Or almost like going through 329,000 pages of documentation to redact confidential information (including PII) takes awhile, and that the FDA has other FOIA requests to handle on top of that.

by _2z1p 3y ago

yellowapple 3y ago

Prevention ain't some binary absolute. It's a matter of reducing viral load, which in turn reduces both severity of symptoms (often to the point of nonexistence) and the likelihood of retransmission. Would you say that life vests are "ineffective at preventing drowning" just because some people drown despite wearing life vests?

_2z1p 3y ago
We were told in no uncertain terms that this vaccine was 95% effective at preventing COVID and there were no side effects. Now all of a sudden the authorities are sheepishly admitting, no, it's not anywhere near 95% effective and it just reduces symptoms of COVID to more manageable levels. So I'm not surprised to hear that they lied about there being no side effects. Just so you know, the FDA wanted 55 years to comply with a FOIA request related to the vaccines, so that seems a bit suspicious to me. Almost like they have some things to hide. https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants-55-years-process-foia-request-over-vaccine-data-2021-11-18/ https://www.reuters.com/legal/government/wait-what-fda-wants...
- yellowapple 3y ago
  > We were told in no uncertain terms By whom? I don't recall any actual authorities speaking in such absolutes. (Laypersons and journalists and politicians, on the other hand...) > So I'm not surprised to hear that they lied about there being no side effects. "We don't know of any side effects at this time" (even assuming that was ever said, which it wasn't; soreness, allergic reactions, fatigue, etc. were known and declared as side effects since pretty much day 1) is not a lie, even if it's discovered later that there might be some (additional) side effects. > Just so you know, the FDA wanted 55 years to comply with a FOIA request related to the vaccines, so that seems a bit suspicious to me. Almost like they have some things to hide. Or almost like going through 329,000 pages of documentation to redact confidential information (including PII) takes awhile, and that the FDA has other FOIA requests to handle on top of that.