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This here. Honestly most orgs with uhh.. Let's say a more mature sense of ROI tradeoffs were doing this from pretty much the very beginning. Also, Ubuntu 22.04

by Rapzid 3y ago

This here. Honestly most orgs with uhh.. Let's say a more mature sense of ROI tradeoffs were doing this from pretty much the very beginning. Also, Ubuntu 22.04 is only 28.17MB compressed right now so it looks equiv to debian-slim. There are also these new image lines, I can't recall the funky name for them, that are even smaller.

kstrauser 3y ago
I'm pushing to go back to Debian from Ubuntu. Canonical's making decisions lately that don't appeal to me, and especially on the server I don't see a clear advantage for Ubuntu vs good ol' rock solid Debian.
- 3np 3y ago
  Host OS vs container image base shouldn't be the same conversation.
- Fnoord 3y ago
  I've done this multiple times when new Debian Stable was released (Bookworm just got released). Its great, until it isn't (ie. you need more up-to-date software). Although to be fair, you might be comparing Ubuntu LTS with Debian releases and the minor Ubuntu releases get short support. Ubuntu is akin to a polished Debian Testing snapshot. I don't like them swapping to Snap either (snappy it ain't).
synergy20 3y ago
why is it so much smaller than debian slim?
- Rapzid 3y ago
  It's not, Debian slim is ~28.8MB compressed.
  - ploxiln 3y ago
    If you want to compare compressed size, then alpine is 3.25MB
    - derkades 3y ago
      The parent comment was comparing Ubuntu and Debian-slim
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  Fewer features (including less "we've supported doing that for 20 years and we're not cutting it now"), packages separated into parts (ex. where debian might separate "foo" into "foo" for the main package and "foo-dev" for headers, alpine will also break out "foo-doc" with manpages and such), general emphasis on being small rather than full-featured.
senknvd 3y ago
> There are also these new image lines, I can't recall the funky name for them, that are even smaller. You might be thinking of the chiselled images. An interesting idea but very much incomplete[1]. [1]: https://github.com/canonical/chisel-releases/issues/34 https://github.com/canonical/chisel-releases/issues/34
- Rapzid 3y ago
  Yes, that's it! I've been working with .Net a lot recently and recalled Microsoft's announcement about them. Specialized runtime images for JRE, .NEt, Asp.Net, and etc.

by Rapzid 3y ago

kstrauser 3y ago

I'm pushing to go back to Debian from Ubuntu. Canonical's making decisions lately that don't appeal to me, and especially on the server I don't see a clear advantage for Ubuntu vs good ol' rock solid Debian.

3np 3y ago
Host OS vs container image base shouldn't be the same conversation.
Fnoord 3y ago
I've done this multiple times when new Debian Stable was released (Bookworm just got released). Its great, until it isn't (ie. you need more up-to-date software). Although to be fair, you might be comparing Ubuntu LTS with Debian releases and the minor Ubuntu releases get short support. Ubuntu is akin to a polished Debian Testing snapshot. I don't like them swapping to Snap either (snappy it ain't).

synergy20 3y ago

why is it so much smaller than debian slim?

Rapzid 3y ago
It's not, Debian slim is ~28.8MB compressed.
- ploxiln 3y ago
  If you want to compare compressed size, then alpine is 3.25MB
  - derkades 3y ago
    The parent comment was comparing Ubuntu and Debian-slim
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
Fewer features (including less "we've supported doing that for 20 years and we're not cutting it now"), packages separated into parts (ex. where debian might separate "foo" into "foo" for the main package and "foo-dev" for headers, alpine will also break out "foo-doc" with manpages and such), general emphasis on being small rather than full-featured.

senknvd 3y ago

> There are also these new image lines, I can't recall the funky name for them, that are even smaller. You might be thinking of the chiselled images. An interesting idea but very much incomplete[1]. [1]: https://github.com/canonical/chisel-releases/issues/34 https://github.com/canonical/chisel-releases/issues/34

Rapzid 3y ago
Yes, that's it! I've been working with .Net a lot recently and recalled Microsoft's announcement about them. Specialized runtime images for JRE, .NEt, Asp.Net, and etc.