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Couple points I thought of: “how do you know they're "qualified"?” Interviews? Resumes? References? Same as any job in the market today? “I don't know how yo

Couple points I thought of: “how do you know they're "qualified"?” Interviews? Resumes? References? Same as any job in the market today? “I don't know how you could know "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations.” They’re providing free legal services to the homeless. I’m assuming they’ve hired lawyers. Looks like average total pay for a lawyer is 150k in SF? https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-attorney-salary-SRCH_IL.0,13_IM759_KO14,22.htm https://www.glassdoor.com/Salaries/san-francisco-attorney-sa... “ What incentive do these orgs have to actually solve the problem, when their very existence depends on it continuing?” You could ask this of any charity. What incentive does St. Jude have to cure childhood cancer? At some level, you just have to trust that the people involved in these organizations have altruistic motivations as a guiding principle. If you don’t trust them, you don’t have to give them your money.

AlbertCory 3y ago
I've done my research here. Now it's your turn. These people's names are all on the Charity Navigator pages I referenced. Try them on LinkedIn & other online sites. Tell us what their qualifications are, what other jobs they've held, and where they live. For bonus points: what political causes do they contribute to? Civil Service laws prohibit forcing employees to make political contributions, but those laws don't apply to employees of these orgs, AFAIK. > If you don’t trust them, you don’t have to give them your money I don't, but the City still does.
- tacticalturtle 3y ago
  Of those 5 for Tenderloin, I see two attorneys, a general director and founder who created the clinic in the 80’s, a director of finance with 10 years of experience as an auditor prior to holding the position for 20 years. I don’t live anywhere near San Francisco, and those salaries seem entirely reasonable for being at the top of an organization that’s responsible for 1900 housing units, in tax year 2022.
  - AlbertCory 3y ago
    Not much research there. So: one person who might have private sector experience. And you didn't look at the biggest nonprofit. Or the potential for kickbacks from their salaries in the form of campaign contributions. Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private sector. You're not showing much evidence for that. And of course, the overall question is, is the City getting any value for that money?
    - seattle_spring 3y ago
      > Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private secto That claim was meant for professionals working for non-profits more broadly, not your hyper-specific example of 5 people.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        OK, I think we've settled that your "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations" has no data behind it at all. Just a supposition, right? By the way, I picked ten people, not five, just by taking the top two non-profits.
      - AlbertCory 3y ago
        Is "hyper specific" supposed to be a bad thing? These are the ones publicly disclosed. Do you know of some others?

AlbertCory 3y ago

I've done my research here. Now it's your turn. These people's names are all on the Charity Navigator pages I referenced. Try them on LinkedIn & other online sites. Tell us what their qualifications are, what other jobs they've held, and where they live. For bonus points: what political causes do they contribute to? Civil Service laws prohibit forcing employees to make political contributions, but those laws don't apply to employees of these orgs, AFAIK. > If you don’t trust them, you don’t have to give them your money I don't, but the City still does.

tacticalturtle 3y ago
Of those 5 for Tenderloin, I see two attorneys, a general director and founder who created the clinic in the 80’s, a director of finance with 10 years of experience as an auditor prior to holding the position for 20 years. I don’t live anywhere near San Francisco, and those salaries seem entirely reasonable for being at the top of an organization that’s responsible for 1900 housing units, in tax year 2022.
- AlbertCory 3y ago
  Not much research there. So: one person who might have private sector experience. And you didn't look at the biggest nonprofit. Or the potential for kickbacks from their salaries in the form of campaign contributions. Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private sector. You're not showing much evidence for that. And of course, the overall question is, is the City getting any value for that money?
  - seattle_spring 3y ago
    > Recall that the claim was that they could make multiples of those salaries in the private secto That claim was meant for professionals working for non-profits more broadly, not your hyper-specific example of 5 people.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      OK, I think we've settled that your "it's very likely the people in those roles could make multiples more at private organizations" has no data behind it at all. Just a supposition, right? By the way, I picked ten people, not five, just by taking the top two non-profits.
    - AlbertCory 3y ago
      Is "hyper specific" supposed to be a bad thing? These are the ones publicly disclosed. Do you know of some others?