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This isn’t a left vs right issue especially in an American context where the left is basically center right and has entirely abandoned its historical ideas in f

by brmgb 3y ago

This isn’t a left vs right issue especially in an American context where the left is basically center right and has entirely abandoned its historical ideas in favour of other fights. The left has been entirely as bad as the right when it comes to the environment.

anonzzzies 3y ago
Might be, from what I read it is. The republicans, but correct me if I am wrong, do not even pretend to care. Just jobs >> environment, wealth >> environment, USA >> planet etc. If that is not true, please enlighten me what the Bush dynasty (isn’t that oil?) or Trump ever said about the planet. I mean sure many Clinton and Obama did nothing but at least they appeared worried; the former is worse. Unless they said it but messed up more, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.
- brmgb 3y ago
  The main issue is not that the Republicans pretend they barely care about the environment and I’m not here to defend the awful bilan of the Republican party. The issue is that despite a lot of posturing amongst some of them the Democrats do exactly the same thing when they are in power. For all his worries, the US went from producing less and less oil to the world first producer while Obama was president, something he actually takes credit for.
  - paulmd 3y ago
    Democrats aren’t really “the left” in the first place, there’s a left wing within the Democratic Party but it also includes a much larger neoliberal wing with the manchins and schumers of the world. Which of those wings do you think has been bad on the environment? Personally I’d say it’s the “pro-economy” neoliberal wing more than the left. Say what you want about how effective or practical the left has been, but generally they’re not the ones stripping regulations on hazmat trains or signing off on drilling in nature preserves or building pipelines across crucial aquifers.
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    - brmgb 3y ago
      I see, that must be why we see so much dissent from the Democrats in Congress. Must be hard being the whip. /s
OO000oo 3y ago
This is correct. The US has 2 capitalist parties and no left party to speak of.
- voisin 3y ago
  I think this was made far worse after the Citizens United ruling.
  - OO000oo 3y ago
    What was different before Citizens United?
ahiknsr 3y ago
> The left has been entirely as bad as the right when it comes to the environment. No, they are not. "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/26589529219124838... This is what the leader of right wing thinks about global warming.

by brmgb 3y ago

anonzzzies 3y ago

Might be, from what I read it is. The republicans, but correct me if I am wrong, do not even pretend to care. Just jobs >> environment, wealth >> environment, USA >> planet etc. If that is not true, please enlighten me what the Bush dynasty (isn’t that oil?) or Trump ever said about the planet. I mean sure many Clinton and Obama did nothing but at least they appeared worried; the former is worse. Unless they said it but messed up more, but that doesn’t seem to be the case.

brmgb 3y ago
The main issue is not that the Republicans pretend they barely care about the environment and I’m not here to defend the awful bilan of the Republican party. The issue is that despite a lot of posturing amongst some of them the Democrats do exactly the same thing when they are in power. For all his worries, the US went from producing less and less oil to the world first producer while Obama was president, something he actually takes credit for.
- paulmd 3y ago
  Democrats aren’t really “the left” in the first place, there’s a left wing within the Democratic Party but it also includes a much larger neoliberal wing with the manchins and schumers of the world. Which of those wings do you think has been bad on the environment? Personally I’d say it’s the “pro-economy” neoliberal wing more than the left. Say what you want about how effective or practical the left has been, but generally they’re not the ones stripping regulations on hazmat trains or signing off on drilling in nature preserves or building pipelines across crucial aquifers.
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  - brmgb 3y ago
    I see, that must be why we see so much dissent from the Democrats in Congress. Must be hard being the whip. /s

OO000oo 3y ago

This is correct. The US has 2 capitalist parties and no left party to speak of.

voisin 3y ago
I think this was made far worse after the Citizens United ruling.
- OO000oo 3y ago
  What was different before Citizens United?

ahiknsr 3y ago

> The left has been entirely as bad as the right when it comes to the environment. No, they are not. "The concept of global warming was created by and for the Chinese in order to make U.S. manufacturing non-competitive." https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/265895292191248385 https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/26589529219124838... This is what the leader of right wing thinks about global warming.