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As an Armenian speaker i was pretty surprised at this part > Recent ancient DNA data suggest that the Anatolian branch of Indo-European did not emerge from the
by ninja-ninja 3y ago
As an Armenian speaker i was pretty surprised at this part
> Recent ancient DNA data suggest that the Anatolian branch of Indo-European did not emerge from the Steppe, but from further south, in or near the northern arc of the Fertile Crescent — as the earliest source of the Indo-European family. Our language family tree topology, and our lineage split dates, point to other early branches that may also have spread directly from there, not through the Steppe.”
- skrebbel 3y agoWhy did that surprise you, as an Armenian speaker?
- dghughes 3y ago>...may also have spread directly from there, not through the Steppe. My guess is they assumed it came through the steppe i.e. from the north, not their region the south/Caucasus. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurgan_hypothesis
- ninja-ninja 3y agoidk in school they really go ham on how exactly our language has elements from the "core" of the indo-european branch, not sure how well the steppe works with the narrative
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoIt's irrelevant, as I point out below. Armenian is not an Anatolian language despite it existing in the Anatolian region. The Anatolian languages are all extinct, and Armenian has its origins out of the Yamnaya migration out of the steppe just like the rest of living Indo-European languages. Armenian is Armenian, not related to Hittite, Luwian, etc. of the Bronze age in any way except as extremely distant cousins.
- fsckboy 3y agoare you saying that the arrows on the map of TFA do not indicate, or are not correct, that Greek and Albanian did not come from the steppe?
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoMy bad, I didn't clue into that visually. That makes me really skeptical of this paper. I just can't see the likelihood that Greek and Armenian are that disjoint from the rest of the family that they could possibly have an origin in Anatolia and not in the same region as the rest of the languages.
- cmrdporcupine 3y agoWorth pointing out that Armenian is not a descendent of the Anatolian branch (if you didn't know that already). The whole Anatolian tree of Indo-European (Hittite, Luwian, Lydian, etc.) is extinct; the languages there were displaced completely in the late Bronze age and early Iron Age.