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> and to the extent it's true it's a pretty brief period of time historically. That is true, but understandably, people are not thrilled about the prospect of

> and to the extent it's true it's a pretty brief period of time historically. That is true, but understandably, people are not thrilled about the prospect of their conditions being worse than those their predecessors experienced. Especially not if, at the same time, they experience an uninterrupted period of economic growth and ever growing profit margins for the corporations they work for.

treis 3y ago
It's not worse than their predecessors. That belief is a combination of looking at the past with rose colored glasses and extrapolating the issues of a handful of cities to the entire country.
- CuriouslyC 3y ago
  By objective standards, it isn't worse. Unfortunately, people don't care about objective standards, once they're not hungry cold and in pain they mostly derive their happiness from how well off they are compared to other people they encounter. By that metric more are worse off now.
  - thethimble 3y ago
    This is what we should be discussing - the blatant taking-for-granted of how good things objectively are in favor of a cultural delusion that we are oppressed. We are living in the best of times as measured by infant mortality, lifespans, literacy, poverty, and technology.
    - edmundsauto 3y ago
      Depends on your frame of reference. In America, things have gotten worse in terms of lifespans, maternal health/mortality, and generally healthcare - when compared to 5 years ago. Partially due to the pandemic, but it remains to be seen if this is the start of a downward spiral or if things will recover soon. Psychologically, people seem to experience less hope and optimism that the future will be better. That is an important concept as well - regardless of whether you think people are delusional - their subjective perceptions still matter.
DropInIn 3y ago
They robbed Peter to pay Paul and now they complain that they're facing the penalties.... The ones who get to complain are the "Peters" whose futures were stolen so their parents could live high on the hog, no?

treis 3y ago

It's not worse than their predecessors. That belief is a combination of looking at the past with rose colored glasses and extrapolating the issues of a handful of cities to the entire country.

CuriouslyC 3y ago
By objective standards, it isn't worse. Unfortunately, people don't care about objective standards, once they're not hungry cold and in pain they mostly derive their happiness from how well off they are compared to other people they encounter. By that metric more are worse off now.
- thethimble 3y ago
  This is what we should be discussing - the blatant taking-for-granted of how good things objectively are in favor of a cultural delusion that we are oppressed. We are living in the best of times as measured by infant mortality, lifespans, literacy, poverty, and technology.
  - edmundsauto 3y ago
    Depends on your frame of reference. In America, things have gotten worse in terms of lifespans, maternal health/mortality, and generally healthcare - when compared to 5 years ago. Partially due to the pandemic, but it remains to be seen if this is the start of a downward spiral or if things will recover soon. Psychologically, people seem to experience less hope and optimism that the future will be better. That is an important concept as well - regardless of whether you think people are delusional - their subjective perceptions still matter.

DropInIn 3y ago

They robbed Peter to pay Paul and now they complain that they're facing the penalties.... The ones who get to complain are the "Peters" whose futures were stolen so their parents could live high on the hog, no?