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millions of people benefit from psychotherapy every day, but random substack with predictable ties to right-wing nativist bullshit says it's all bunk. Well tha

by zzzeek 3y ago

millions of people benefit from psychotherapy every day, but random substack with predictable ties to right-wing nativist bullshit says it's all bunk. Well that's that then!

colechristensen 3y ago
I know several people very well who have struggled immensely to get helpful therapy. I myself have tried going down that route several times and come away disgusted by how bad it was. At best… at best it was emotional intelligence and self care at a grade school level. Talking to the provider was like talking to a robot or someone reading a script in a call center. The providers consistently effected a tone not unlike how one patronizes an unruly toddler. It was impossible, literally impossible to get them to switch to speaking to you like a person. I have known several people who went into to psychology mostly to serve their own navel gazing. Have heard several explicitly say the opportunity of manipulation (yes using that word) excited them. I’ve studied the history and present level of knowledge, the quality of the science backing it, and come away more concerned the more I know. Folks generally need people to talk to about the difficulties of life. The medical profession on that topic is… not that great. You don’t have to be a political whackjob to have serious concerns.
- pawelmurias 3y ago
  > I have known several people who went into to psychology mostly to serve their own navel gazing. Thats a lot better case then people studying psychology to become psychologists because they are trying to heal their own severe emotional and mental issues.
- tptacek 3y ago
  I know several people who have struggled immensely with getting routine medical care, not for lack of financial resources but because of how opaque and impersonal clinical health care can be. I'm not happy about that. But I don't extrapolate from there to the uselessness of medicine. If I get an infection, I'm going to go to a doctor, and not attempt to tough it out the way the Winegards suggest people with mental health ailments do.
calderknight 3y ago
You're assuming the very thing in question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question
- zzzeek 3y ago
  Wrong, my fallacy of choice here is ad hominem.

by zzzeek 3y ago

millions of people benefit from psychotherapy every day, but random substack with predictable ties to right-wing nativist bullshit says it's all bunk. Well that's that then!

colechristensen 3y ago

I know several people very well who have struggled immensely to get helpful therapy. I myself have tried going down that route several times and come away disgusted by how bad it was. At best… at best it was emotional intelligence and self care at a grade school level. Talking to the provider was like talking to a robot or someone reading a script in a call center. The providers consistently effected a tone not unlike how one patronizes an unruly toddler. It was impossible, literally impossible to get them to switch to speaking to you like a person. I have known several people who went into to psychology mostly to serve their own navel gazing. Have heard several explicitly say the opportunity of manipulation (yes using that word) excited them. I’ve studied the history and present level of knowledge, the quality of the science backing it, and come away more concerned the more I know. Folks generally need people to talk to about the difficulties of life. The medical profession on that topic is… not that great. You don’t have to be a political whackjob to have serious concerns.

pawelmurias 3y ago
> I have known several people who went into to psychology mostly to serve their own navel gazing. Thats a lot better case then people studying psychology to become psychologists because they are trying to heal their own severe emotional and mental issues.
tptacek 3y ago
I know several people who have struggled immensely with getting routine medical care, not for lack of financial resources but because of how opaque and impersonal clinical health care can be. I'm not happy about that. But I don't extrapolate from there to the uselessness of medicine. If I get an infection, I'm going to go to a doctor, and not attempt to tough it out the way the Winegards suggest people with mental health ailments do.

calderknight 3y ago

You're assuming the very thing in question. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Begging_the_question

zzzeek 3y ago
Wrong, my fallacy of choice here is ad hominem.