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Realistically, with the title you suggest nobody would have read the post. A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article",

Realistically, with the title you suggest nobody would have read the post. A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article", it also has the goal to stimulate curiosity. I understand that we don't want misleading titles but this obsession on titles is not very helpful. I am participating in this useless conversation but I couldn't help myself. Now every single HN post has a comment on how the title is wrong..

JoshuaDavid 3y ago
How about > Researchers found aging-like cognitive effects in mice by altering the CaMKII brain protein Only 3 more words than the original, but contains quite a bit more information about what exactly the claim is while still having a strong "hook".
yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
> A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article", it also has the goal to stimulate curiosity. Are you advocating clickbait?
- Zetice 3y ago
  Why did you italicize a word? Why speak with any emotion ever? Why not focus exclusively on the optimal method of transferring information from one being to another?
  - spdif899 3y ago
    Why say lot word when few do trick?
  - yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
    In this case, I believe that using italics to convey emphasis and a bit of emotion is the optimal method of transferring information (here, expressing surprise and questioning someone apparently favoring a practice that is generally correctly viewed as a pure negative).
    - Zetice 3y ago
      I disagree, he could have made his point more efficiently, therefore undercutting his complaint.
coldtea 3y ago
>A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article", it also has the goal to stimulate curiosity. It shouldn't have to do the latter. That's clickbait. People are either organically curious about what actually happened or they are not. If they are not, they shouldn't be "stimulated" with BS. That "media/advetising" attitude is the cause behind many issues with science in society today.
- sillysaurusx 3y ago
  Ehh. We’ve been here long enough to both know that there’s a balance. $10 says the mods won’t change the title to the suggested one, precisely because of this balance. It’s not about clickbaiting. The whole reason the research is getting funded in the first place is to try to find the link.
  - coldtea 3y ago
    >It’s not about clickbaiting. The whole reason the research is getting funded in the first place is to try to find the link. Tieing grants to mass media popularity of research papers is an even bigger problem.
    - johnnyanmac 3y ago
      Grants are ALWAYS tiered based on biased political factors. That's why they are "grants". Someone heavily invested in finding answers is willing to give money away to achieve that end. In this case, the government is heavily invested on ideas that can stimulate their economy. I don't even know what can be done here. Take money out of acedemia? Maybe in a post scarcity world.
  - kshacker 3y ago
    We really need "saved you a click" version of hacker news. Same UI just title recommended by users
    - spdif899 3y ago
stjohnswarts 3y ago
It could be slightly dumbed down for non-bio people such as myself but kept the "flavor" of the article title

JoshuaDavid 3y ago

How about > Researchers found aging-like cognitive effects in mice by altering the CaMKII brain protein Only 3 more words than the original, but contains quite a bit more information about what exactly the claim is while still having a strong "hook".

yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago

> A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article", it also has the goal to stimulate curiosity. Are you advocating clickbait?

Zetice 3y ago
Why did you italicize a word? Why speak with any emotion ever? Why not focus exclusively on the optimal method of transferring information from one being to another?
- spdif899 3y ago
  Why say lot word when few do trick?
- yjftsjthsd-h 3y ago
  In this case, I believe that using italics to convey emphasis and a bit of emotion is the optimal method of transferring information (here, expressing surprise and questioning someone apparently favoring a practice that is generally correctly viewed as a pure negative).
  - Zetice 3y ago
    I disagree, he could have made his point more efficiently, therefore undercutting his complaint.

coldtea 3y ago

>A title is not "the most informative and complete sentence summarizing the article", it also has the goal to stimulate curiosity. It shouldn't have to do the latter. That's clickbait. People are either organically curious about what actually happened or they are not. If they are not, they shouldn't be "stimulated" with BS. That "media/advetising" attitude is the cause behind many issues with science in society today.

sillysaurusx 3y ago
Ehh. We’ve been here long enough to both know that there’s a balance. $10 says the mods won’t change the title to the suggested one, precisely because of this balance. It’s not about clickbaiting. The whole reason the research is getting funded in the first place is to try to find the link.
- coldtea 3y ago
  >It’s not about clickbaiting. The whole reason the research is getting funded in the first place is to try to find the link. Tieing grants to mass media popularity of research papers is an even bigger problem.
  - johnnyanmac 3y ago
    Grants are ALWAYS tiered based on biased political factors. That's why they are "grants". Someone heavily invested in finding answers is willing to give money away to achieve that end. In this case, the government is heavily invested on ideas that can stimulate their economy. I don't even know what can be done here. Take money out of acedemia? Maybe in a post scarcity world.
- kshacker 3y ago
  We really need "saved you a click" version of hacker news. Same UI just title recommended by users
  - spdif899 3y ago

stjohnswarts 3y ago

It could be slightly dumbed down for non-bio people such as myself but kept the "flavor" of the article title