4 ms·

All of this is just noise. The experiment has to be reproduced and measured by others. Then we will know.

mrtksn 3y ago
And if the reproduction is hard to nail due to delicacies in the process, the the inventors should provide samples for analysis. According to the tweet in question, YH Kwon had samples with him and was willing make them available for investigation but they didn’t have the tools for.
jpeter 3y ago
People wrote 3 days ago that i will take a day for it to be reproduced. Where are the results?
- viraptor 3y ago
  It's in progress https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 There will be a live stream once the material is ready apparently. Related Twitter space recording available https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880 https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880 (That's the only one I'm aware of. There may be more)
  - cmrdporcupine 3y ago
    Actual twitch content here: https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip Twitter is members-only, a private site. Better to post the primary, public, source.
    - smithcoin 3y ago
      [flagged]
      - jdiff 3y ago
        What's the point of this pedantry? Self satisfaction?
    - viraptor 3y ago
      The spaces part is actually hosted on Twitter. If you want to watch it, you'll have to cope.
- fnordpiglet 3y ago
  My understanding is it’s 4 days minimum and the ease of reproduction was mostly a HN/twitter hallucination.
DyslexicAtheist 3y ago
indeed. this is Satoshi/Wright all over again. All Wright had to do is sign a document with the original key to provide (reasonably) plausible proof that he was indeed Satoshi. Behavior of grifters always has this constant: infuriate your peers by making excuses and dazzle the outsiders/media with techno-babble. Sit back and watch both camps fight in social media, from where it infects MSM. Once it takes off the 2 camps battling another ensure it stays in the news and the cult that was created ensures their idols (gods) are protected. The public can no longer tell truth from fiction because as they understand "where there's smoke there's fire". At this point the suits and corporate talking-heads promise big returns, so there is no stopping it because money is being made regardless from it being real. replicate || GTFO
- smcl 3y ago
  In Wright's case what's funnier is that after his little trickery in his attempts to prove he's Satoshi (which fell to bits immediately), he was willing to go to extraordinary lengths to keep up the act. He came up with some Back To The Future style excuse for not being in possession of certain keys saying that he'd somehow split them into N parts and had arranged for some bonded courier to show up at a given day (which obviously didn't happen). Additionally he fought against the estate of a former business partner, persuaded the judge that he was Satoshi and therefore worth billions and owes the estate $100m in damages: > Following a three-week trial in late 2021, a jury found Wright liable for conversion but awarded Kleiman's estate US$100 million in damages while Kleiman's estate had sought upwards of US$25 billion at trial. Wright took the position that verdict served as a vindication of his role in inventing bitcoin and stated that he would not appeal the jury's findings Really childish stuff.
juujian 3y ago
The worst about it is how much of other people's time their wasting. Other folks are trying to verify/disprove their claims. Of course it is some kind of measurement error. Do your due diligence before you claim that you broke physics as we know it. All these people could be spending their time working on something worthwhile...
- greggsy 3y ago
  Their tests aren’t wasted. Negative validation adds to the corpus.
  - juujian 3y ago
    They're wasted because it becomes this game where one side claims the other side didn't do it right, and the other side claims it's not described in sufficient detail, it takes years to actually disprove something if the other side is persistent. It's not a one and done, it's a huge time sink that drains energy from researchers. You try to replicate something, you fail, that's not a publication, that's just nothing. For a phd student in a lab, that can derail your career plans if you it breaks the timeline of working toward your thesis. It's hugely damaging on an individual level. Not to mention the frustration and cynicism that comes with spending months to work, spending tens of thousands of dollars, on some bullshit that someone made up. Nobody learned or gained anything really from the Schön scandal[^1]. It just sucks all around. Not to mention it ups the pressure on scientists when fakes build a publication record, leading to a vicious cycle where the pressure makes it more likely that folks bend the truth a little bit. [^1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal
- ncallaway 3y ago
  > Do your due diligence before you claim that you broke physics as we know it Do room temperature semi conductors break physics as we know it? I didn’t think they contradicted known physics, which is why so many people were researching them. What known physics do they break?
  - 3y ago

And if the reproduction is hard to nail due to delicacies in the process, the the inventors should provide samples for analysis. According to the tweet in question, YH Kwon had samples with him and was willing make them available for investigation but they didn’t have the tools for.

jpeter 3y ago

People wrote 3 days ago that i will take a day for it to be reproduced. Where are the results?

viraptor 3y ago
It's in progress https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 https://nitter.net/skdh/status/1684917544103116800 There will be a live stream once the material is ready apparently. Related Twitter space recording available https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880 https://twitter.com/andrewmccalip/status/1685465431317114880 (That's the only one I'm aware of. There may be more)
- cmrdporcupine 3y ago
  Actual twitch content here: https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip https://www.twitch.tv/andrewmccalip Twitter is members-only, a private site. Better to post the primary, public, source.
  - smithcoin 3y ago
    [flagged]
    - jdiff 3y ago
      What's the point of this pedantry? Self satisfaction?
  - viraptor 3y ago
    The spaces part is actually hosted on Twitter. If you want to watch it, you'll have to cope.
fnordpiglet 3y ago
My understanding is it’s 4 days minimum and the ease of reproduction was mostly a HN/twitter hallucination.

DyslexicAtheist 3y ago

indeed. this is Satoshi/Wright all over again. All Wright had to do is sign a document with the original key to provide (reasonably) plausible proof that he was indeed Satoshi. Behavior of grifters always has this constant: infuriate your peers by making excuses and dazzle the outsiders/media with techno-babble. Sit back and watch both camps fight in social media, from where it infects MSM. Once it takes off the 2 camps battling another ensure it stays in the news and the cult that was created ensures their idols (gods) are protected. The public can no longer tell truth from fiction because as they understand "where there's smoke there's fire". At this point the suits and corporate talking-heads promise big returns, so there is no stopping it because money is being made regardless from it being real. replicate || GTFO

smcl 3y ago
In Wright's case what's funnier is that after his little trickery in his attempts to prove he's Satoshi (which fell to bits immediately), he was willing to go to extraordinary lengths to keep up the act. He came up with some Back To The Future style excuse for not being in possession of certain keys saying that he'd somehow split them into N parts and had arranged for some bonded courier to show up at a given day (which obviously didn't happen). Additionally he fought against the estate of a former business partner, persuaded the judge that he was Satoshi and therefore worth billions and owes the estate $100m in damages: > Following a three-week trial in late 2021, a jury found Wright liable for conversion but awarded Kleiman's estate US$100 million in damages while Kleiman's estate had sought upwards of US$25 billion at trial. Wright took the position that verdict served as a vindication of his role in inventing bitcoin and stated that he would not appeal the jury's findings Really childish stuff.

juujian 3y ago

The worst about it is how much of other people's time their wasting. Other folks are trying to verify/disprove their claims. Of course it is some kind of measurement error. Do your due diligence before you claim that you broke physics as we know it. All these people could be spending their time working on something worthwhile...

greggsy 3y ago
Their tests aren’t wasted. Negative validation adds to the corpus.
- juujian 3y ago
  They're wasted because it becomes this game where one side claims the other side didn't do it right, and the other side claims it's not described in sufficient detail, it takes years to actually disprove something if the other side is persistent. It's not a one and done, it's a huge time sink that drains energy from researchers. You try to replicate something, you fail, that's not a publication, that's just nothing. For a phd student in a lab, that can derail your career plans if you it breaks the timeline of working toward your thesis. It's hugely damaging on an individual level. Not to mention the frustration and cynicism that comes with spending months to work, spending tens of thousands of dollars, on some bullshit that someone made up. Nobody learned or gained anything really from the Schön scandal[^1]. It just sucks all around. Not to mention it ups the pressure on scientists when fakes build a publication record, leading to a vicious cycle where the pressure makes it more likely that folks bend the truth a little bit. [^1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sch%C3%B6n_scandal
ncallaway 3y ago
> Do your due diligence before you claim that you broke physics as we know it Do room temperature semi conductors break physics as we know it? I didn’t think they contradicted known physics, which is why so many people were researching them. What known physics do they break?
- 3y ago