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> If your kid is reading or math-ing beyond grade level, they're just going to get ignored and handed straight-A's while the teachers desperately spend all thei
by sgu999 3y ago
> If your kid is reading or math-ing beyond grade level, they're just going to get ignored and handed straight-A's while the teachers desperately spend all their time getting Donny Dumbass to at least stop screaming all day and eating crayons. There's no gifted program or tracking/segregating by ability anymore. I guess those are bad for "equity".
Maybe, but at the same time it's OK if your gifted kid only has a PhD and a high paying job but not a Nobel prize. Whereas it's a bit problematic for society if Donny Dumbass spends his life being a burden to everyone because he remains problematic...
- lelanthran 3y agoWe're living on a rock with limited lifespan. Humanity itself is at risk from various extinction level events. If you insist that it's okay for all gifted students to never exceed to the point of making ground breaking discoveries, we're likely extinct sooner rather than later. The nongifted people, even if all completely stop contributing to society, would not result in an extinction. IOW, we are all relying on the gifted people to save us. Hobbling gifted people even slightly has a far worse impact than not helping non gifted people. And yes, I am part of the non gifted.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoHow do you imagine gifted people have or will save humanity from extinction-level events?
- sgu999 3y agoI believe we are facing a strong case of naive techno-optimism. I'll give it a go: a 19 yo genius may find a way to capture kilograms of carbons in each leaf of peppermint through a new kind of photosynthesis, and by showing it to the world, we'll all be able to reproduce it and meet our carbon neutrality by 2050. And my uncle Joe, enlightened, will start spending his days drinking peppermint tea instead of making millions trading disposable plastic products from East Asia.
- lelanthran 3y ago> I believe we are facing a strong case of naive techno-optimism. I'm surprised to actually find that there are people who think that the life they currently enjoy was the result of train drivers and janitors.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoModern life, seems to me, a product of many ungifted people and a few gifted folks toiling for centuries. That includes relatively unskilled workers and those with decades of education. Gifted people only ever educated and working in ivory towers would starve long before enhancing life for anyone, except for the efforts of their 'lessers'.
- lelanthran 3y ago> How do you imagine gifted people have or will save humanity from extinction-level events? Well, I don't see how the nongifted people will come up with any the technology required to leave this rock. So the only other option is that we never leave, or we leave purely on the efforts of the gifted alone.
- paulryanrogers 3y agoConsidering humans evolved here I doubt it's possible to reach a compatible, alternative planet. And even if we could how likely are humans to survive there if they cannot live sustainably on their home planet?
- sgu999 3y ago> If you insist that it's okay for all gifted students to never exceed to the point of making ground breaking discoveries I did not write that. > The nongifted people, even if all completely stop contributing to society, would not result in an extinction. I'm not referring to not contributing, I'm referring to contributing negatively.
- lelanthran 3y ago>> If you insist that it's okay for all gifted students to never exceed to the point of making ground breaking discoveries > I did not write that. No, you wrote: > it's OK if your gifted kid only has a PhD and a high paying job but not a Nobel prize. Which is no different from "never exceed to the point of making ground breaking discoveries".