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> And you pay the car dealership for a one time use of the car. I'm not sure what you mean. One time use would be rental. I own the car and use it all the time

by lapcat 3y ago

> And you pay the car dealership for a one time use of the car. I'm not sure what you mean. One time use would be rental. I own the car and use it all the time. > Writers are contracted to write for a show. They are not employees of any given studio. Some writers and actors are permanent employees of a show, which is likely owned by one of the studios. Other writers and actors are temps. But the thing is, Hollywood is a pretty small town, and there are only so many studios, which is why it's possible for a union to represent all the writers, all the actors, all the directors. > Do you pay a perpetual license for every library that you use? Well, Apple currently takes 15% of my income... > Neither they or you “deserve” more than the market will bear and what you are able to negotiate. I never said otherwise. But obviously the non-streaming film and TV market bore residuals. We'll see who has the leverage and what happens with streaming. The biggest issue is that the studios are pleading poverty over streaming, which seems unbelievable. Anyway, I'm just baffled that other people in these comments are somehow baffled at the idea that residuals exist. There's nothing inherently wrong with them.

scarface_74 3y ago
> Some writers and actors are permanent employees of a show, which is likely owned by one of the studios And when the show is over, why “should” it be different than when my employment is over unless I hold on to RSUs (public company) or options when I leave? I chose to work for a public company that gave me less than market value in exchange for stock that gives me residual rights to income from the company. I could just as well as chosen to work for a company that paid me up front in cash my market. I’m not baffled residuals exist, I’m baffled that people think that writers and actors “deserve” them instead of it just being a negotiation between cash now and less cash and higher/risk return by accepting them in exchange for less cash up front
- lapcat 3y ago
  > I could just as well as chosen to work for a company that paid me up front in cash my market. That's not how it works. Which non-equity jobs have a significantly higher base pay than the BigCos themselves who do offer equity in addition to paychecks?
  - scarface_74 3y ago
    I work in cloud consulting. I work at AWS in the Professional Services department. There are plenty of third party boutique consulting firms that pay the same if not more in cash
    - lapcat 3y ago
      Me: Which non-equity jobs have a significantly higher [emphasis added] base pay You: third party boutique consulting firms that pay the same if not more in cash The "same", or even a little more, is not the same as "significantly higher". To give up all recurring revenue in return for "the same if not more in cash" is a bad deal, and I suspect that's why you don't take it, unless you're deliberately screwing yourself financially, which seems unlikely. So I don't understand why you allow yourself the better deal while chastising the writers and actors for also wanting the better deal.
      - scarface_74 3y ago
        I worked on the other side as a dev lead who was responsible for a budget including dealing with cloud consultants before I knew anything about cloud. I know how much we were paying consultants. That’s what caused my career pivot. I saw what we were paying developers who were called “consultants” who were really just staff aug compared to real strategic consultants. I also know what our partners bill rate is and I know what people who left ProServe to start their own consulting companies are charging. Finally, I know what we bill customers and the gap between my pay and the bill rate. I choose to accept my total compensation because while the reward is lower so are the risks. > So I don't understand why you allow yourself the better deal while chastising the writers and actors for also wanting the better deal. I am not chastising anyone for trying to negotiate their market rate. I’m going to negotiate a lot more compensation based on my market value when I leave AWS as a cloud consultant specializing in application development based on my track record than I could as a run of the mill C# developer just like Shonda Rhimes can negotiate more than an unknown writer based on their market value.
        3y ago

by lapcat 3y ago

scarface_74 3y ago

> Some writers and actors are permanent employees of a show, which is likely owned by one of the studios And when the show is over, why “should” it be different than when my employment is over unless I hold on to RSUs (public company) or options when I leave? I chose to work for a public company that gave me less than market value in exchange for stock that gives me residual rights to income from the company. I could just as well as chosen to work for a company that paid me up front in cash my market. I’m not baffled residuals exist, I’m baffled that people think that writers and actors “deserve” them instead of it just being a negotiation between cash now and less cash and higher/risk return by accepting them in exchange for less cash up front

lapcat 3y ago
> I could just as well as chosen to work for a company that paid me up front in cash my market. That's not how it works. Which non-equity jobs have a significantly higher base pay than the BigCos themselves who do offer equity in addition to paychecks?
- scarface_74 3y ago
  I work in cloud consulting. I work at AWS in the Professional Services department. There are plenty of third party boutique consulting firms that pay the same if not more in cash
  - lapcat 3y ago
    Me: Which non-equity jobs have a significantly higher [emphasis added] base pay You: third party boutique consulting firms that pay the same if not more in cash The "same", or even a little more, is not the same as "significantly higher". To give up all recurring revenue in return for "the same if not more in cash" is a bad deal, and I suspect that's why you don't take it, unless you're deliberately screwing yourself financially, which seems unlikely. So I don't understand why you allow yourself the better deal while chastising the writers and actors for also wanting the better deal.
    - scarface_74 3y ago
      I worked on the other side as a dev lead who was responsible for a budget including dealing with cloud consultants before I knew anything about cloud. I know how much we were paying consultants. That’s what caused my career pivot. I saw what we were paying developers who were called “consultants” who were really just staff aug compared to real strategic consultants. I also know what our partners bill rate is and I know what people who left ProServe to start their own consulting companies are charging. Finally, I know what we bill customers and the gap between my pay and the bill rate. I choose to accept my total compensation because while the reward is lower so are the risks. > So I don't understand why you allow yourself the better deal while chastising the writers and actors for also wanting the better deal. I am not chastising anyone for trying to negotiate their market rate. I’m going to negotiate a lot more compensation based on my market value when I leave AWS as a cloud consultant specializing in application development based on my track record than I could as a run of the mill C# developer just like Shonda Rhimes can negotiate more than an unknown writer based on their market value.
      - 3y ago