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build your own, it's not that expensive to 4x both those numbers

by cobalt 3y ago

wtallis 3y ago
"The standard computer configuration" stopped referring to desktops long before 8GB DRAM + 256GB SSD went mainstream.
- taneq 3y ago
  Depends on your demographic, I guess. My 8-year-old desktop was built with 16GB and that was middle of the road even then. Only a 64GB SSD at the start, though. I didn't see laptops really take over from desktops for a few years after that.
  - wtallis 3y ago
    Your story doesn't really add up. 8 years ago would have been 2015, at which point 64GB drives had been dropped from most consumer SSD product lines for at least a year, and laptop sales had been outnumbering desktop sales by a wide margin for many years. I don't think you realize how thoroughly unrepresentative your experiences and purchasing choices have been.
    - taneq 3y ago
      This has gotta be peak HN. "I built a desktop 8 years ago using these components which were pretty normal at the time." "No they weren't." There were like 10 different brands of 64GB 2.5" SATA SSDs to choose from at the time, in the most popular PC components shop in the city, so it wasn't just my little niche. Plenty of people had laptops, sure, but most daily-driver work machines were still desktops. Maybe it was different where you live. That's OK.
      - lockhouse 3y ago
        The minute you said custom built from components you went off the rails of my argument. There is nothing standard or common about that. Very few people build their own computers from components, nor should they. It also ignores the fact that most people buy laptops. I am talking about the memory and storage configuration of the "typical" computer that an average consumer will buy from a big box store or a website. This has been 8GB/256GB SSD for a long time now. That is my source of complaint. Growing up in the 80s and 90s there would be absolute leaps in memory and storage every time you would upgrade your computer. That is no longer the case. We are just now starting to see some 16GB/512GB configurations appear on consumer default configurations after what, almost a decade?
      - wtallis 3y ago
        > There were like 10 different brands of 64GB 2.5" SATA SSDs to choose from at the time, in the most popular PC components shop in the city, so it wasn't just my little niche. Your story gets even weirder! Sourcing components from the local brick and mortar store when building your own desktop usually negates most of the benefits of building your own desktop computer. It's not entirely surprising that they had an excess of outdated SSDs on display. > Plenty of people had laptops, sure, but most daily-driver work machines were still desktops. Are we suddenly confining the discussion to corporate-owned office PCs, or do you genuinely not understand that laptops have been outselling desktops for a very long time?
- PeterStuer 3y ago
  For general office computing or media consumption, yes, the 'standard' is indeed laptops, tablets, phones, consoles and TV's. For locally playing with AI, those are a joke. A beefy desktop gpu, preferably with 24GB vram, a nice desktop high threaded cpu. 64GB of ram and as many TB of fast M.2 storage you can afford is the starting point. Those OSS LLM models will eat your typical enthusiast gaming PC for breakfast.

build your own, it's not that expensive to 4x both those numbers

by cobalt 3y ago

build your own, it's not that expensive to 4x both those numbers

wtallis 3y ago

"The standard computer configuration" stopped referring to desktops long before 8GB DRAM + 256GB SSD went mainstream.

taneq 3y ago
Depends on your demographic, I guess. My 8-year-old desktop was built with 16GB and that was middle of the road even then. Only a 64GB SSD at the start, though. I didn't see laptops really take over from desktops for a few years after that.
- wtallis 3y ago
  Your story doesn't really add up. 8 years ago would have been 2015, at which point 64GB drives had been dropped from most consumer SSD product lines for at least a year, and laptop sales had been outnumbering desktop sales by a wide margin for many years. I don't think you realize how thoroughly unrepresentative your experiences and purchasing choices have been.
  - taneq 3y ago
    This has gotta be peak HN. "I built a desktop 8 years ago using these components which were pretty normal at the time." "No they weren't." There were like 10 different brands of 64GB 2.5" SATA SSDs to choose from at the time, in the most popular PC components shop in the city, so it wasn't just my little niche. Plenty of people had laptops, sure, but most daily-driver work machines were still desktops. Maybe it was different where you live. That's OK.
    - lockhouse 3y ago
      The minute you said custom built from components you went off the rails of my argument. There is nothing standard or common about that. Very few people build their own computers from components, nor should they. It also ignores the fact that most people buy laptops. I am talking about the memory and storage configuration of the "typical" computer that an average consumer will buy from a big box store or a website. This has been 8GB/256GB SSD for a long time now. That is my source of complaint. Growing up in the 80s and 90s there would be absolute leaps in memory and storage every time you would upgrade your computer. That is no longer the case. We are just now starting to see some 16GB/512GB configurations appear on consumer default configurations after what, almost a decade?
    - wtallis 3y ago
      > There were like 10 different brands of 64GB 2.5" SATA SSDs to choose from at the time, in the most popular PC components shop in the city, so it wasn't just my little niche. Your story gets even weirder! Sourcing components from the local brick and mortar store when building your own desktop usually negates most of the benefits of building your own desktop computer. It's not entirely surprising that they had an excess of outdated SSDs on display. > Plenty of people had laptops, sure, but most daily-driver work machines were still desktops. Are we suddenly confining the discussion to corporate-owned office PCs, or do you genuinely not understand that laptops have been outselling desktops for a very long time?
PeterStuer 3y ago
For general office computing or media consumption, yes, the 'standard' is indeed laptops, tablets, phones, consoles and TV's. For locally playing with AI, those are a joke. A beefy desktop gpu, preferably with 24GB vram, a nice desktop high threaded cpu. 64GB of ram and as many TB of fast M.2 storage you can afford is the starting point. Those OSS LLM models will eat your typical enthusiast gaming PC for breakfast.