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What I gather from this comment is an attempt to distance from the attachment to clearly harmful things. I think it would do good to just internalize what's ha

What I gather from this comment is an attempt to distance from the attachment to clearly harmful things. I think it would do good to just internalize what's happening - the desire for personal gain, and the indifference on the ways that are employed. There is no shame in not caring about other people on a societal level, I don't think most of us do, and I do think that many who say they do, don't really actually. Calling them names like stupid or gullible, just to defend contributing to the harm of them is not successful coping attempt however. It just says that these things do bother who's saying them, and that they feel something that's not desirable to them, like shame, or fear of retribution, or something else that's negative. There's no need to do any of this, it's okay to just not care.

sershe 3y ago
I think you misread the comment. What I'm saying is that the GP says "selling cigarettes is bad, because cigarettes are bad for the buyer". Who are you to decide that? You are implicitly saying "the buyer of cigarettes is stupid and doesn't know what's good for them [and therefore enabling them is bad; in which case the reverse, preventing them from acting, must be good]" I say they make a choice to buy cigarettes, and while I personally think that's dumb, it's just, like, my opinion, man. Someone might judge my choices (like, mountaineering? That's dangerous and who pays for those rescues, why not just play golf? Wait, that destroys the planet and uses up so much urban land, why not just go for a walk? Frankly you could get hit by a car, just do weights at home. OTOH free weights by yourself are injury prone, nobody can have any exercise hobbies except for stairmaster)
- npteljes 3y ago
  I understand this point. And GP is a person, so they also have an opinion. I feel that you continued the pattern I outlined in my original comment.
- staunton 3y ago
  Maybe that's just your opinion, but a lot of people battling addiction agree that "they shouldn't be able to but that shit". So what would you do taking into account these people, many of whom don't live a great life?

sershe 3y ago

I think you misread the comment. What I'm saying is that the GP says "selling cigarettes is bad, because cigarettes are bad for the buyer". Who are you to decide that? You are implicitly saying "the buyer of cigarettes is stupid and doesn't know what's good for them [and therefore enabling them is bad; in which case the reverse, preventing them from acting, must be good]" I say they make a choice to buy cigarettes, and while I personally think that's dumb, it's just, like, my opinion, man. Someone might judge my choices (like, mountaineering? That's dangerous and who pays for those rescues, why not just play golf? Wait, that destroys the planet and uses up so much urban land, why not just go for a walk? Frankly you could get hit by a car, just do weights at home. OTOH free weights by yourself are injury prone, nobody can have any exercise hobbies except for stairmaster)

npteljes 3y ago
I understand this point. And GP is a person, so they also have an opinion. I feel that you continued the pattern I outlined in my original comment.
staunton 3y ago
Maybe that's just your opinion, but a lot of people battling addiction agree that "they shouldn't be able to but that shit". So what would you do taking into account these people, many of whom don't live a great life?