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best approach to de-retarding outlook: don't use it now let me guess a thousand respondents will tell me they are "forced" to use outlook. i call bullshit. whe
by crabapple 18y ago
best approach to de-retarding outlook: don't use it
now let me guess a thousand respondents will tell me they are "forced" to use outlook. i call bullshit. where are these mythical phbs that walk around checking on what mail client you are using. and don't tell me you have to use outlook to extract excrete...err exchange calendar notifications...it took me all of about ten minutes to extract those in gnus using elisp
- jgrahamc 18y agoSorry, but you've clearly never worked in a large company that had an actual IT department. There are many, many companies where what goes on your machine is what the company chooses. You are either forbidden, or prevented, from installing anything else. Those people are forced to use Outlook. Also, your average employee is unlikely to replace Outlook with the 'better' solution of extracting calendar information using 'gnus using elisp'.
- axod 18y agoUsing telnet or netcat to access the exchange server is better than using outlook.
- jgrahamc 18y agoUtter, utter nonsense. In non-software companies the applications on the desktop are centrally managed and it's just not possible to use workarounds that engineers would find acceptable.
- axod 18y agoIt's not nonsense, it's my opinion - having used outlook. I simply don't understand how anyone can bear to use outlook. If I was forced in the workplace to use it, I'd quit. Same with IE6. If a company forces you to use either of those, they're clearly not going to be around very long.
- greyman 18y agoWhat exactly is so unbearable about Outlook?
- martin 18y agoIf you'd quit a job because of the mail client on your desktop, that's your right. A colleague of mine recently gave notice because she didn't like the coffee in the cafeteria, and that was her right too. Like it or not, Outlook and Exchange are still the best-in-class solution for enterprise messaging, which is why they're used. If you can't understand why that is, then I hope you've never worked in an enterprise. Perhaps you'd prefer Lotus Notes? I'm not a Microsoft fanboy by any means; I have a Mac and use Gmail every day. But being able to put aside one's biases and pick the right tool for the job is the difference between an IT professional and a zealot.
- tapostrophemo 18y ago>Those people are forced to use Outlook. Or even better, Lotus Notes. Ick! What will save us from that hell?
- joshwa 18y agoI forward my Lotus Notes to gmail... though that will have to stop soon, for PCI compliance reasons. For calendaring, I manually export every day to ics, munge it through some sed scripts, and then sync to gcal with gcaldaemon. Apparently the 8.5 client sucks slightly less, but I can't get that til I upgrade to Leopard.
- LPTS 18y agodon't work at those places. they sound like they suck.
- crabapple 18y agoSorry, but you've clearly never worked in a large company that had an actual IT department. yes actually i do. and no, no one cares what email client i use name three real companies where every employee is FORCED to use outlook
- crabapple 18y agoassuming you modded me down because you can't name three real companies where every employee is FORCED to use outlook