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Setup: Tesla Solar Roof (I thought it was discontinued) + 3 powerwalls + net metering 29 kilowatt array, 40 kwhr powerwall. Cost: 120k with 30k credit, project
by AtlasBarfed 3y ago
Setup: Tesla Solar Roof (I thought it was discontinued) + 3 powerwalls + net metering 29 kilowatt array, 40 kwhr powerwall.
Cost: 120k with 30k credit, projected payoff: 9.6 years
Location: New Jersey
Usage: Tesla car, electric AC, but gas heating (and probably gas water heating)
He could probably go electric water heating too, because he is running a surplus. Full electric heating in the winter maybe, depending on insulation.
He pulls from the grid in the winter, but is net-negative in all other months.
The cost seems high, he says solar panels could be 19 kw total. The interesting thing is that by his viewpoint, as much solar as possible is good because as much of your appliances can be put on electric.
The near-future view of this seems to be (this is not in the video, this is my personal opinion):
- perovskite + silicon solar panels will increase efficiency and drop costs
- 150-200 wh/kg sodium ion batteries will drop the cost of the storage arrays by 50-60%, but the utilities will continue their political war on net metering, so you'll need a bigger array
- heat exchangers will drop the energy need of heat/AC so it can go electric
I think the federal incentives kind of still suck. They need to make this a no-brainer option for almost all homes, be it financed zero-down or similar schemes. Right now this is a luxury feature, but that's not going to get us to low-carbon energy independence.
There is also a housing crisis practically everywhere. The Feds will eventually stimulate construction to increase supply, why not make all the new supply solar enabled? Especially since the new supply is generally intended for the newer generations?
I'll retire tot the corner to keep taking the hallucinogens that gave me that temporary optimism.
- p1mrx 3y ago> the utilities will continue their political war on net metering And they'll probably win, because it makes no economic sense for a utility to provide a valuable service (reliable energy storage) for free.
- mft_ 3y agoIt's worth noting the delta between this price, versus buying more normal panels on the open consumer market - for similarly optimistic reasons! Based on a couple of panels I recently picked up on Aliexpress, they're running around 550-600 EUR (delivered) per kW, based on 200w panels. (You could probably go lower with more careful shopping and/or a bulk discount.) At these prices, a 29kW array (like MKB's) would cost 16-17.5k EUR, panels alone. Of course, this price is without fitting or any other required parts (noting the Powerwalls especially!), would be considerably uglier on your roof than Tesla's offering, and would likely not even fit on the same roof area (so you'd have to settle for fewer kWs) - but it's exciting how cheap solar panels have become - and looking to the future, they'll become even cheaper and more efficient over time.