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3. Get rid of the aspects of capitalism which make it too difficult to have kids. It isn't crazy. The system we have now is crazy. The fact that we're mentioni

3. Get rid of the aspects of capitalism which make it too difficult to have kids. It isn't crazy. The system we have now is crazy. The fact that we're mentioning artificial wombs instead of destroying capitalism is worrying.

A_D_E_P_T 3y ago
But what are those aspects, exactly? And would getting rid of them not result in a system that's alien to modern sensibilities in developed countries? To a certain extent, it seems to me that very generous benefits for parents -- _or_ a total restructuring of retirement and pension plans, with the reinvestment of some of the gains in pro-natal policies -- is "getting rid of the aspects of capitalism which make it too difficult to have kids." Or at least side-stepping those aspects. And these policies should be not impossible to implement. "Destroying capitalism" on the other hand...
- pjc50 3y ago
  > But what are those aspects, exactly? If I was to encapsulate it in one word: pressure. Or insecurity. Pressure to work, pressure to make "sound" financial decisions, of which committing to a dependent is not "sound".
  - analognoise 3y ago
    I'd say it's closely related: Force, the threat of force. There should be options available to do nothing. We have private companies extracting "stuff" from the ground and privatizing the resulting profits. This is crazy. We throw out something like 1/2 of all food, which on average comes from hundreds of miles away so that food costs money, which if you don't have you starve. We subsidize farms, the military, all kinds of things - but we privatize the profits. There should be no threat of homelessness or starvation in our system. You want more than baseline, you have to work and compete. But we spend all this money to prop up this shitty system, I do not understand it.

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3. Get rid of the aspects of capitalism which make it too difficult to have kids. It isn't crazy. The system we have now is crazy. The fact that we're mentioni

by analognoise 3y ago

A_D_E_P_T 3y ago
But what are those aspects, exactly? And would getting rid of them not result in a system that's alien to modern sensibilities in developed countries? To a certain extent, it seems to me that very generous benefits for parents -- _or_ a total restructuring of retirement and pension plans, with the reinvestment of some of the gains in pro-natal policies -- is "getting rid of the aspects of capitalism which make it too difficult to have kids." Or at least side-stepping those aspects. And these policies should be not impossible to implement. "Destroying capitalism" on the other hand...
- pjc50 3y ago
  > But what are those aspects, exactly? If I was to encapsulate it in one word: pressure. Or insecurity. Pressure to work, pressure to make "sound" financial decisions, of which committing to a dependent is not "sound".
  - analognoise 3y ago
    I'd say it's closely related: Force, the threat of force. There should be options available to do nothing. We have private companies extracting "stuff" from the ground and privatizing the resulting profits. This is crazy. We throw out something like 1/2 of all food, which on average comes from hundreds of miles away so that food costs money, which if you don't have you starve. We subsidize farms, the military, all kinds of things - but we privatize the profits. There should be no threat of homelessness or starvation in our system. You want more than baseline, you have to work and compete. But we spend all this money to prop up this shitty system, I do not understand it.