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The actual report is here. It’s quite readable: https://mic.comotion.uw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Keeping-it-on-the-Tracks-High-speed-Rail-Success-and-Les

The actual report is here. It’s quite readable: https://mic.comotion.uw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Keeping-it-on-the-Tracks-High-speed-Rail-Success-and-Lessons-Learned.pdf https://mic.comotion.uw.edu/wp-content/uploads/2023/05/Keepi... The word “commuter” appears 19 times, always in the context of “local commuter rail,” in contrast to the high speed rail the report discusses. High speed rail is very clearly described as a metro-to-metro solution, in competition with air travel. Commuting is not the stated purpose. The stated purpose is to “overcome long-term problems of affordable housing, traffic congestion, and greenhouse gas emissions.”

23B1 3y ago
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- mynameisvlad 3y ago
  They clearly did read it. And the actual report, which is the thing that really matters. You clearly have not, on the other hand. Nor do you have the most basic understanding of the purpose of HSR, which you wouldn’t even need to read the report to know. It’s ok to say “I’m wrong”, you know. > Let me ask you a different question, since you brought up air travel; what sort of ticket/buyer do you think accounts for the bulk of domestic airlines' revenues? It sure isn’t commuting if that’s what you’re getting at. https://www.ustravel.org/system/files/media_root/document/Research_Fact-Sheet_US-Travel-and-Tourism-Overview.pdf https://www.ustravel.org/system/files/media_root/document/Re... -> “Leisure travel accounted for over 80% of domestic travel” https://www.statista.com/statistics/539518/us-air-passengers-main-trip-purposes-by-type/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/539518/us-air-passengers... -> majority personal/leisure But please, tell me exactly how commuters somehow are the primary users of both air travel and HSR.
  - 23B1 3y ago
    You've confused ticket volume with profits.
    - mynameisvlad 3y ago
      You’ve confused profits with revenue. You asked for most revenue, not most profit. Ticket volume directly correlates, especially when one source accounts for 80% of the volume. But I’m sure you have sources for your moved goalposts, right? Please, show me how commutes are the most profitable. Or most revenue. Or literally anything where they are considered “most” when it comes to air or HSR. Once again, it’s ok to say you’re wrong about something. Doubling down by constantly moving the goalposts is probably the most idiotic way to make your point.
      - 23B1 3y ago
        About 3/4 of all domestic airline profits are accounted for by business travel. You are bad at this.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Business travel != commuting. And you still haven’t provided a source for that claim. > what sort of ticket/buyer do you think accounts for the bulk of domestic airlines' revenues? Provide a source specifically for commuting accounting for a majority of revenue, which was your original claim. Moving the goal posts and saying the equivalent of “trust me bro” does not a compelling argument make.
        23B1 3y ago
        I'm sorry this is upsetting you, but I'm certain that no matter what sort of information I provide to you, it won't change your mind.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Asking for a source is not being upset, but way to bring an ad hominem into it along with the moved goalposts. You’re just going for all the fallacies aren’t you? I guess it’s easier for you to move goal posts and make claims than it is to back them up when pushed to do so. You literally have not provided a single thing to back anything you’ve said up and are pretending like somehow I’m the unreasonable person. Next time, just be consistent in your claims and back your shit up. It’s really not that hard.

23B1 3y ago

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mynameisvlad 3y ago
They clearly did read it. And the actual report, which is the thing that really matters. You clearly have not, on the other hand. Nor do you have the most basic understanding of the purpose of HSR, which you wouldn’t even need to read the report to know. It’s ok to say “I’m wrong”, you know. > Let me ask you a different question, since you brought up air travel; what sort of ticket/buyer do you think accounts for the bulk of domestic airlines' revenues? It sure isn’t commuting if that’s what you’re getting at. https://www.ustravel.org/system/files/media_root/document/Research_Fact-Sheet_US-Travel-and-Tourism-Overview.pdf https://www.ustravel.org/system/files/media_root/document/Re... -> “Leisure travel accounted for over 80% of domestic travel” https://www.statista.com/statistics/539518/us-air-passengers-main-trip-purposes-by-type/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/539518/us-air-passengers... -> majority personal/leisure But please, tell me exactly how commuters somehow are the primary users of both air travel and HSR.
- 23B1 3y ago
  You've confused ticket volume with profits.
  - mynameisvlad 3y ago
    You’ve confused profits with revenue. You asked for most revenue, not most profit. Ticket volume directly correlates, especially when one source accounts for 80% of the volume. But I’m sure you have sources for your moved goalposts, right? Please, show me how commutes are the most profitable. Or most revenue. Or literally anything where they are considered “most” when it comes to air or HSR. Once again, it’s ok to say you’re wrong about something. Doubling down by constantly moving the goalposts is probably the most idiotic way to make your point.
    - 23B1 3y ago
      About 3/4 of all domestic airline profits are accounted for by business travel. You are bad at this.
      - mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Business travel != commuting. And you still haven’t provided a source for that claim. > what sort of ticket/buyer do you think accounts for the bulk of domestic airlines' revenues? Provide a source specifically for commuting accounting for a majority of revenue, which was your original claim. Moving the goal posts and saying the equivalent of “trust me bro” does not a compelling argument make.
        23B1 3y ago
        I'm sorry this is upsetting you, but I'm certain that no matter what sort of information I provide to you, it won't change your mind.
        mynameisvlad 3y ago
        Asking for a source is not being upset, but way to bring an ad hominem into it along with the moved goalposts. You’re just going for all the fallacies aren’t you? I guess it’s easier for you to move goal posts and make claims than it is to back them up when pushed to do so. You literally have not provided a single thing to back anything you’ve said up and are pretending like somehow I’m the unreasonable person. Next time, just be consistent in your claims and back your shit up. It’s really not that hard.