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Since about every too level comment is negative towards chat bots: We had a chatbot at work that actually was great. For me it felt a lot better than searching

Since about every too level comment is negative towards chat bots: We had a chatbot at work that actually was great. For me it felt a lot better than searching Confluence and it could also answer questions from dynamic data like how many vacation days I had left or how many hours I was ahead or behind with my hours. Thanks to some smart use of technology behind the scenes IIRC I could ask it in normal language and most of the time it would understand.

swsieber 3y ago
Any idea how it was made? I'd like to do the same.
- eitland 3y ago
  Mix of some GCP natural language understanding and some coding from some of ny colleagues (I have some really smart colleagues). I can't remember exactly, but I know it was a couple of years or more ago so pre ChatGPT / Bard and all that.
TheRealPomax 3y ago
To be fair, if the alternative was "searching confluence", almost anything is better than that, whether it's a chatbot or a third party search engine slapped on top of your confluence data. Confluence's search is an absolute joke, and a bad one at that.
- starik36 3y ago
  Confluence search isn't that bad. What is bad is the data that is fed into it. It has no way of understanding what is more relevant: some doc from 10 years ago or something related from recently.
  - TheRealPomax 3y ago
    So what you're saying is that Confluence search is bad, because it has no understanding of relevance, something we figured how to do even before the PageRank algorithm got published in 1998? Search is meant to help humans find what they need to find. If your search function doesn't (and Confluence's sure as hell doesn't) then it's bad. And arguably, plain mislabeled because it's not performing searches. At best, it's grepping.
    - starik36 3y ago
      PageRank is based people linking using huge scale of the entire internet. It’s difficult to infer importance based on a couple of thousand documents at most.
      - TheRealPomax 3y ago
        No, it isn't. It was, back in the 90s. But full text linked document indexing was a fully solved problem by 2012, and Confluence put genuine effort into not using any of the existing solutions and instead went with "You get grep. Not search. Sucks to be you".

swsieber 3y ago

Any idea how it was made? I'd like to do the same.

eitland 3y ago
Mix of some GCP natural language understanding and some coding from some of ny colleagues (I have some really smart colleagues). I can't remember exactly, but I know it was a couple of years or more ago so pre ChatGPT / Bard and all that.

TheRealPomax 3y ago

To be fair, if the alternative was "searching confluence", almost anything is better than that, whether it's a chatbot or a third party search engine slapped on top of your confluence data. Confluence's search is an absolute joke, and a bad one at that.

starik36 3y ago
Confluence search isn't that bad. What is bad is the data that is fed into it. It has no way of understanding what is more relevant: some doc from 10 years ago or something related from recently.
- TheRealPomax 3y ago
  So what you're saying is that Confluence search is bad, because it has no understanding of relevance, something we figured how to do even before the PageRank algorithm got published in 1998? Search is meant to help humans find what they need to find. If your search function doesn't (and Confluence's sure as hell doesn't) then it's bad. And arguably, plain mislabeled because it's not performing searches. At best, it's grepping.
  - starik36 3y ago
    PageRank is based people linking using huge scale of the entire internet. It’s difficult to infer importance based on a couple of thousand documents at most.
    - TheRealPomax 3y ago
      No, it isn't. It was, back in the 90s. But full text linked document indexing was a fully solved problem by 2012, and Confluence put genuine effort into not using any of the existing solutions and instead went with "You get grep. Not search. Sucks to be you".