> Yes yes you've got a big list of cherry-picked papers What's wrong with that? Show me a similar list of papers proving that animal agriculture is the solutio

> Yes yes you've got a big list of cherry-picked papers What's wrong with that? Show me a similar list of papers proving that animal agriculture is the solution for our problems, and I'll happily change my viewpoint. The problem is that no such independent and peer reviewed studies (can even) exist. > Then just a quick dismissal of goats Yeah, I think that grazing is extremely destructive for the ecosystems. Not when you've got a single goat or two, but at the scale yes. It's not a secret that previous civilizations had environmental pressures that contributed to their collapse, and overgrazing could be one of those reasons. A lot of those previous civilizations places are now deserts. Coincidence? I'd bet not :) > existence of cash-cropping other then to say 'oh yeah it's probably animal feed' We would need just a fraction of resources if it were not for pastures and the need for animal feed. It's not probably, it's for sure. Again, science. > Really? Rice is animal feed? I never said that. I'll give you this link/graph again: https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation#beef-soy-and-palm-oil-are-responsible-for-60-of-tropical-deforestation https://ourworldindata.org/drivers-of-deforestation#beef-soy... Rice is 5.6%, animal ag (incl. feed) 60%.