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> we can turn rich countries into poor countries by taking away transport City and economy planning, work from home, basic income, degrowth ... > energy Rene
by myshpa 3y ago
> we can turn rich countries into poor countries by taking away transport
City and economy planning, work from home, basic income, degrowth ...
> energy
Renewable energy, insulation and heat pumps, not air-conditioners.
> protein from the working class
That's propaganda, and now you're getting somewhere. We already get 63% of our protein from plants. If we were to extend that to 100%, we could store our entire 1.5C carbon budget through afforesting and rewilding pastures, which would also help restore biodiversity.
Climate change, resource depletion, deforestation, loss of biodiversity, pollution, overpopulation, soil erosion, and overfishing are all but symptoms of ecological overshoot.
Switching off animal protein would help solve climate change (15-25% impact, co2/methane/n20), deforestation, pollution, soil erosion and overfishing.
So it's one of the most impactful things we should do ... helping to solve 5 things out of 7.
> But that approach also destroys most of the hope for technological solutions.
We don't have any such solutions, that's something that sways the attention from things we already have at our disposal (just wait for this one thing that may or may not come ...).
> And even if the richest countries did sacrifice everything
Rich countries did/are doing most of the damage, the poorest ones are the ones paying most for it. If everyone would act as we do, we would need several more earths.
> if many other countries continued pursuing growth of economies, consumption, and population
Should they stay underdeveloped, or die out just so we could still be living like pigs in clover ?
- BasedAnon 3y ago>That's propaganda, and now you're getting somewhere. We already get 63% of our protein from plants. If we were to extend that to 100%, we could store our entire 1.5C carbon budget through afforesting and rewilding pastures, which would also help restore biodiversity. Protein is not created equally. It is not possible to maintain a healthy diet using sustainable low-energy sources of plant protein in place of meat. Meat is not an optional part of our diet. There have been plenty of studies detailing the dietary impact of vegan diets.
- myshpa 3y agohttps://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-cheaper-and-healthier-oxford-study https://www.ox.ac.uk/news/2021-11-11-sustainable-eating-chea... Sustainable eating is cheaper and healthier - Oxford study https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/35719615/ Plant-based diets were protective against cancers of the digestive system, with no significant differences between different types of cancer, a meta-analysis based on 3,059,009 subjects https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/04/meat-tax-would-boost-health-and-cut-heathcare-spending-research/ https://www.dutchnews.nl/2023/04/meat-tax-would-boost-health... Meat tax would boost health and cut healthcare spending: research https://www.foodingredientsfirst.com/news/over-17000-doctors-call-on-white-house-to-shape-nutrition-policy-on-plant-based-diets.html https://www.foodingredientsfirst.com/news/over-17000-doctors... Over 17,000 doctors call on White House to shape nutrition policy on plant-based diets "It is the position of the American Dietetic Association that appropriately planned vegetarian diets, including total vegetarian or vegan diets, are healthful, nutritionally adequate, and may provide health benefits in the prevention and treatment of certain diseases. Well-planned vegetarian diets are appropriate for individuals during all stages of the life cycle, including pregnancy, lactation, infancy, childhood, and adolescence, and for athletes." - American Dietetic Association "A vegetarian or vegan diet can be suitable for everyone, regardless of their age." - NHS UK "[I]t is possible to follow a well-planned, plant-based, vegan friendly diet that supports healthy living in people of all ages, and during pregnancy and breastfeeding." - British Dietetic Association. "For adults, protein from two or more plant groups daily is like to be adequate. " - World Health Organisation > There have been plenty of studies detailing the dietary impact of vegan diets Meat & dairy industry is spending massive amounts of money of keeping the status quo as long as possible, same as with cigarettes or fossil fuels. A lot of those studies are paid for, be aware. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-industry-public-relations-messaging-machine https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2023/may/03/beef-ind... Inside big beef’s climate messaging machine: confuse, defend and downplay https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-crickets https://newrepublic.com/article/171781/meat-culture-war-cric... Why Right-Wingers Are So Afraid of Men Eating Vegetables https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrowing-tactics-from-big-oil-to-obfuscate-the-truth-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2022/11/11/the-meat-industry-is-borrow... The meat industry is borrowing tactics from Big Oil to obfuscate the truth about climate change https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-climate-change-beef-meat-dairy https://www.vox.com/future-perfect/23778399/media-ignores-cl... Why the media too often ignores the connection between climate change and meat https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating-the-way-you-think-about-climate-change/ https://www.salon.com/2023/05/13/how-big-oil-is-manipulating...
- tzs 3y agoEven if we accept that meat is not optional we don't have to eat so much of it. Most of Europe consumes 1/2 to 2/3 of the meat per capita as the US. China too. Japan consumes about 40% per capita as the US and they consumer a mix of meats that has much less climate impact. India consumes around 1/30th of the US in meat per capita.