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So supplement IRC with a bunch of other services? Realising people didn't want to deal with this shit is why discord is so popular. (Seriously, this response a

So supplement IRC with a bunch of other services? Realising people didn't want to deal with this shit is why discord is so popular. (Seriously, this response and others like it demonstrate that IRC will continue to remain a niche. I won't fault you if this kind of setup works for you but suggesting this kind of thing is acceptable for the average user is really, truly, genuinely out of touch. I'm among the demographic who can and has done this kind of thing, and I don't want to do it!)

magsarion 3y ago
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- rcxdude 3y ago
  People always mention "marketing" as a reason for Discord's success, and I always wonder what they mean. It's a poster child of adoption through word-of-mouth, I don't know if they've engaged seriously with advertising. I'm serious, you have absolutely no clue what the average user values and how your suggestions don't meet that while discord does. Discord may go the way of the dodo due to enshittification but the successor will be another option that actually adresses most users needs, not IRC (which I'm sure will still be around: gopher's still around, people are still tinkering with 9600 baud modems and the like, a tech like that will never completely die but it's also delusional to expect that it's not mainstream just because the alternative has better marketing)
- lolinder 3y ago
  You seem to have completely missed tester756's point: Discord became popular because it bundled good-enough versions of all of those features with no extra hassle. No one has to keep track of which client you're using in order to decide which features you can interact with, no one has to spin up a new server for voice chat or anything else—it's handled for you automatically. You might be comfortable stringing together a bunch of plugins for IRC in order to get the same functionality, but the average Discord user never will be.
  - siriusfeynman 3y ago
    so many conversation about discord/slack/$currentThing vs IRC end up repeating the "why Dropbox when you can rsync" meme
- shlant 3y ago
  > Discord is popular because of network effects, virality, and marketing I don't think you are even attempting to fairly represent Discord if this is what you actually believe
- Karunamon 3y ago
  >An IRC client with some bells and & some plugins that expand web-linked media would offer most of Discord's feature set. And yet, this hypothetical client does not exist. Discord does.
  - progval 3y ago
    IRCCloud and The Lounge do it natively. Maybe KiwiIRC too.

magsarion 3y ago

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rcxdude 3y ago
People always mention "marketing" as a reason for Discord's success, and I always wonder what they mean. It's a poster child of adoption through word-of-mouth, I don't know if they've engaged seriously with advertising. I'm serious, you have absolutely no clue what the average user values and how your suggestions don't meet that while discord does. Discord may go the way of the dodo due to enshittification but the successor will be another option that actually adresses most users needs, not IRC (which I'm sure will still be around: gopher's still around, people are still tinkering with 9600 baud modems and the like, a tech like that will never completely die but it's also delusional to expect that it's not mainstream just because the alternative has better marketing)
lolinder 3y ago
You seem to have completely missed tester756's point: Discord became popular because it bundled good-enough versions of all of those features with no extra hassle. No one has to keep track of which client you're using in order to decide which features you can interact with, no one has to spin up a new server for voice chat or anything else—it's handled for you automatically. You might be comfortable stringing together a bunch of plugins for IRC in order to get the same functionality, but the average Discord user never will be.
- siriusfeynman 3y ago
  so many conversation about discord/slack/$currentThing vs IRC end up repeating the "why Dropbox when you can rsync" meme
shlant 3y ago
> Discord is popular because of network effects, virality, and marketing I don't think you are even attempting to fairly represent Discord if this is what you actually believe
Karunamon 3y ago
>An IRC client with some bells and & some plugins that expand web-linked media would offer most of Discord's feature set. And yet, this hypothetical client does not exist. Discord does.
- progval 3y ago
  IRCCloud and The Lounge do it natively. Maybe KiwiIRC too.