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> the exponential growth of the human population driven by our financial system's need for constant growth. Yet, we have not even begun to start discussing that

> the exponential growth of the human population driven by our financial system's need for constant growth. Yet, we have not even begun to start discussing that Probably a good place to begin that discussion would be with some sort of demonstration that this is actually a thing that's happening. It seems like a difficult [1] argument to construct, so you should probably get on that. [1] https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-population-by-year/ https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/world-populat...

myshpa 3y ago
Thanks ... you're right, I was thinking ahead, that should not be there. "the exponential growth driven by our financial system's need for constant growth" I've updated the original comment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Acceleration "In tracking the effects of human activity upon the Earth, a number of socioeconomic and earth system parameters are utilized including population, economics, water usage, food production, transportation, technology, greenhouse gases, surface temperature, and natural resource usage" https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_accel-12graph-SE.png https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_acc...
- throwanem 3y ago
  Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Human overpopulation per se hasn't been a matter of plausible concern since the 70s; what is concerning is that the "green revolution" in agriculture is dependent on roughly our current level of technological development, and that's what has produced yields capable of supporting the human population at its current level.
  - myshpa 3y ago
    > that's what has produced yields capable of supporting the human population at its current level Those yields are fully dependent on fossil fuels, agree. But the methods used are extremely destructive (soils, biodiversity, pollution, energy ...). That's too why the reform of agriculture (and switch to plant-based diets) is so desperately needed, and pronto.

myshpa 3y ago

Thanks ... you're right, I was thinking ahead, that should not be there. "the exponential growth driven by our financial system's need for constant growth" I've updated the original comment. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Acceleration https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Acceleration "In tracking the effects of human activity upon the Earth, a number of socioeconomic and earth system parameters are utilized including population, economics, water usage, food production, transportation, technology, greenhouse gases, surface temperature, and natural resource usage" https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_accel-12graph-SE.png https://futureearth.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/01/great_acc...

throwanem 3y ago
Okay, that makes a lot more sense. Human overpopulation per se hasn't been a matter of plausible concern since the 70s; what is concerning is that the "green revolution" in agriculture is dependent on roughly our current level of technological development, and that's what has produced yields capable of supporting the human population at its current level.
- myshpa 3y ago
  > that's what has produced yields capable of supporting the human population at its current level Those yields are fully dependent on fossil fuels, agree. But the methods used are extremely destructive (soils, biodiversity, pollution, energy ...). That's too why the reform of agriculture (and switch to plant-based diets) is so desperately needed, and pronto.