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In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well. What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to

In other news, population is declining among Japanese and this is a huge crisis as well. What exactly does life look like per capita if population continues to increase or stay the same? How is the solution to this problem not exactly what the Japanese are doing? Time to kill off our pyramid scheme economic growth models and barbaric bronze age "be fruitful and multiply" religions.

thelastparadise 3y ago
This is a bit of a conspiracy-laden, incoherent approach to the problem. How about we don't try to control the population (but still take good care of the environment?) Perhaps by now we could already be building space colonies if it weren't for these kind of reactionary, knee-jerk responses to problems.
- PartiallyTyped 3y ago
  Then you need to deal with every nutjob pushing the whole “spread your seed and raise obedient children in the name of $prophet”
brmgb 3y ago
You are 30 years late. The world at large didn’t wait for you. Fertility has been declining worldwide for decades and been subreplacement in the USA and Europe for quite sometimes. South East Asia and Africa are slowly getting there too. Population is only an issue because of demographic lag. It’s already sorted out. We just have to pass the bump.
- 7e 3y ago
  The U.S. population is still growing, which of course may be lag, but can also be caused by immigration. Countries need to keep the population growing to support Ponzi-schemes like retirement benefits. I expect poorer countries to continue to be baby factories indefinitely.
  - brmgb 3y ago
    > The U.S. population is still growing, which of course may be lag, but can also be caused by immigration. Indeed which is why I specifically talked of fertility as immigration is a thing. Irrelevant on a global level obviously. > I expect poorer countries to continue to be baby factories indefinitely. Highly unlikely. Fertility is getting lower everywhere. In all likelihood Africa will go the same way as South Asia as women education and access to contraception rise and children mortality rates drop. It’s already started.
tda 3y ago
Indeed. Essentially, the resources available to the average person are sum_of_all_resources / total_nr_of_people. The amount of a lot of resources (energy, food, mobility, communication) to go around has grown greatly since the industrial revolution. But some resources, like land, minerals, fish in the sea, are just fundamentally limited. The only way to have more on average is to diverse what is available by less people. Or you can just take more for yourself by stealing it from the less privileged and future generations, which seems to be the current modus operandi...

thelastparadise 3y ago

This is a bit of a conspiracy-laden, incoherent approach to the problem. How about we don't try to control the population (but still take good care of the environment?) Perhaps by now we could already be building space colonies if it weren't for these kind of reactionary, knee-jerk responses to problems.

PartiallyTyped 3y ago
Then you need to deal with every nutjob pushing the whole “spread your seed and raise obedient children in the name of $prophet”

brmgb 3y ago

You are 30 years late. The world at large didn’t wait for you. Fertility has been declining worldwide for decades and been subreplacement in the USA and Europe for quite sometimes. South East Asia and Africa are slowly getting there too. Population is only an issue because of demographic lag. It’s already sorted out. We just have to pass the bump.

7e 3y ago
The U.S. population is still growing, which of course may be lag, but can also be caused by immigration. Countries need to keep the population growing to support Ponzi-schemes like retirement benefits. I expect poorer countries to continue to be baby factories indefinitely.
- brmgb 3y ago
  > The U.S. population is still growing, which of course may be lag, but can also be caused by immigration. Indeed which is why I specifically talked of fertility as immigration is a thing. Irrelevant on a global level obviously. > I expect poorer countries to continue to be baby factories indefinitely. Highly unlikely. Fertility is getting lower everywhere. In all likelihood Africa will go the same way as South Asia as women education and access to contraception rise and children mortality rates drop. It’s already started.

tda 3y ago

Indeed. Essentially, the resources available to the average person are sum_of_all_resources / total_nr_of_people. The amount of a lot of resources (energy, food, mobility, communication) to go around has grown greatly since the industrial revolution. But some resources, like land, minerals, fish in the sea, are just fundamentally limited. The only way to have more on average is to diverse what is available by less people. Or you can just take more for yourself by stealing it from the less privileged and future generations, which seems to be the current modus operandi...